There are other members of the HoL who are there because they represent a particular faith or denomination. I reiterate: the bishops are not the problem! I agree with rosequartz that they have experience relevant to being there, as good as anyone's and undoubtedly more deserving than someone who has simply given a lot of money to the party in power or has been an adviser (well paid) to a minister. Better to make a start with them, surely. Better still, to move to a wholly elected upper house as soon as possible. I wonder if some of the posters on this thread really know what's going on!