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What do people mean by christian fundamentalist

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soontobe Sat 20-Jun-15 19:47:14

Are they supposed to be people who stick to what is in the bible? Or people who do not?

Ana Sun 21-Jun-15 17:43:11

Yes, that must be it. Or just soon.

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 21-Jun-15 17:44:47

Yes. smile

granjura Sun 21-Jun-15 18:00:28

Romans, chapter 10, verse 9

is not part of the Confirmation service at all

During the rite of Confirmation, the candidates stand as a group for questioning by the presiding bishop:

Bishop: Do you reject Satan and all his works and all his empty promises?
Candidates: I do.
Bishop: Do you believe in God the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth?
Candidates: I do.
Bishop: Do you believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was born of the Virgin Mary, was crucified, died, and was buried, rose from the dead, and is now seated at the right hand of the Father?
Candidates: I do.
Bishop: Do you believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who came upon the apostles at Pentecost and today is given to you sacramentally in confirmation?
Candidates: I do.
Bishop: Do you believe in the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting?
Candidates: I do.
Bishop: This is our faith. This is the faith of the Church. We are proud to profess it in Christ Jesus our Lord.
All present: Amen.

Many people do behave in a Christian manner towards fellow humans, out of human common sense and are not Christians at all (I'd like to count myself as one here, if I may). I know many confirmed and active Christians who do not, sadly- or only towards those in their Christians groups and not others.

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 21-Jun-15 18:07:39

In the Methodist Church, the vicar does it. No Bishops.

whitewave Sun 21-Jun-15 18:15:57

My family were all Methodists - Cornish. A village consisting of 3 main streets and 4 chapels plus 1 church!

mcem Sun 21-Jun-15 18:19:36

No bishops in C of S either. I thought soon was a Methodist so perhaps in her church the service is less formulaic. Many Christian churches other than C of E and RC do not stick to set rites or formats like the book of Common Prayer. That's not to say that long-established traditions aren't in place but there is more flexibility and fewer rigid aspects like responses, chants and plainsong.

granjura Sun 21-Jun-15 18:21:37

oh yes, there are 100s of variations among all the umpteen Christiand Churches, brethrens, sects and also Eastern Orthodox Churches- illustrating very well how varied and different Christians are.

But I don't think Chapter 10, verse 9 features in any of them at all.

whitewave Sun 21-Jun-15 18:22:50

My mother used to go to the church as she thought it was poshergrin

TriciaF Sun 21-Jun-15 18:25:30

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+10:9
It's a commitment. Many people accept Christianity this way, one of my DILs included.
Not the way I came to be a believer though, there are many ways.

annodomini Sun 21-Jun-15 18:31:24

In my time I've had a number of Methodist friends and colleagues, none of whom could be described as fundamentalist. On the contrary, they had a liberal Christian outlook. Baptists, on the other hand, were more likely to be fundamentalist or 'born again'.

loopylou Sun 21-Jun-15 18:33:29

What is the difference between Methodist and Baptist? Must Google it.

granjura Sun 21-Jun-15 18:37:51

Most kids here get confirmed because they get a moped or posh watch as a present when they do - sadly. Very few keep going to the Chuch afterwards.

whitewave Sun 21-Jun-15 18:38:26

anno yes all my family were/are very liberal. Mind you when my aunt died I found some really interesting books dating back to the Victorian times. "Readings for Sunday" The idea was that a member of the family would read edifying stories to the rest of the family - what exiting lives they led. They never drank alcohol except at Christmas - mind you they couldn't afford it.

soontobe Sun 21-Jun-15 18:46:33

mcem. Yes I am a Methodist.
And yes, Methodists

The bit about Jesus being raised from the dead is in the bit you quoted, granjura.
And a person could not really say those other words if they didnt belive that Jesus was Lord.

jingl - being confirmed, and becoming a Member dont actually, and are not always done at the same time.
Sometimes people come from other denominations, and ask to become Members at some point.But are already confirmed.

Yes there is a set service for either or both parts.

Ana. Post 17.38pm Yes, that is what I meant.
Though baptism is done in the Bible, and most people get around to doing it at some point. And John the Baptist was baptised, as were others.

soontobe Sun 21-Jun-15 18:47:51

I should have got rid of the And yes, Methodists bit.

whitewave Sun 21-Jun-15 18:50:00

gran are you sure??

annodomini Sun 21-Jun-15 18:58:00

I was christened as a baby, as were my sisters; and was confirmed at 17, partly because I fancied our young minister! Not that I stood a chance there. I was, however, an active member of the Student Christian Movement (liberal Christians) as an undergraduate. Our study group studied liberal theologians like Paul Tillich who 'demythologised' the Bible.

granjura Sun 21-Jun-15 19:00:43

Yes, absolutely. Wouldn't have written it otherwise.

whitewave Sun 21-Jun-15 19:22:07

gran as my gran used to say "strewth me a---s h---s" they must need a posh watch very much then. I had to go for confirmation classes for what seemed an eternity - they must have some staying power. I would have thought it would have been easier to get a Saturday job. Mind you I suspect that giving up church has more to do with their age and not the fact that they have acquired a watch.

granjura Sun 21-Jun-15 19:28:26

Yes, a whole year, one evening a week- but you are right, numbers are going down every year- posh watch, driving lessons, moped, etc, or not.

My brother sold his platinum Patek Phillipe given to him by his Godfather for very little to buy an old banger, actually- but that was in the mid 60s. It would be worth a few Rolls Royces or Ferraris now!!!

Ana Sun 21-Jun-15 19:38:39

So it's a form of bribery. How sad.

granjura Sun 21-Jun-15 20:44:00

Sad... or I'd rather say hypocritical and opportunist too. Not very different though, in a way, to all those who have Chruch weddings for the dress and the videos though. At least the 15 year olds are just kids and perhaps not fully aware.

Lilygran Sun 21-Jun-15 20:45:53

Ana. Re: soon's' post of 15.20? Yes, that's right.

Romans 10:9-10New International Version (NIV)
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

That's why most Christian churches have some kind of process or ceremony once people who have been baptised as children reach an age to understand. Some churches don't baptise infants. The declaration is made on behalf of infants by the godparents and parents.

Ana Sun 21-Jun-15 20:50:19

I was asking whether it was just necessary to say the words and suddenly you'd be a Christian. I do know why churches have ceremonies, although of course babies have no choice in the matter.

TriciaF Sun 21-Jun-15 21:13:38

I can't accept that "saved" bit. It sounds as if once you're "saved" you can sin as much as you want and you'll still go to heaven .
Whereas with most other faiths you need to continue trying to be a good person.