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Bishop Michael Curry's Sermon

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Alexa Sun 20-May-18 08:51:16

I hope that love will become the great paradigm shift in a similar way to the paradigmatic invention of firemaking.

Lovetopaint037 Tue 22-May-18 07:34:42

Willow. I thought all through the service how can they all sit there for so long when you consider they had to be seated a good time before the royal arrivals. I even looked for signs of wriggles. DH was musing on one of the children asking to go to the loo just before the walk down the aisle and then all of them following suit. Well I bet you don’t get a post like this on Mumsnet!

Nelliemoser Tue 22-May-18 08:50:17

Those who think 15 minutes for a sermon is too long is certainly not a non-comformist. The message of love is the essential point of Christianity.
I enjoyed his input. It was certainly not a pofaced high Anglican service.
I am no longer a believer but as it is, you can probably guess my background was non conformist Methodist.

Besstwishes Tue 22-May-18 08:54:23

nelliemoser maybe that’s why I enjoyed it so much then ? it reminded me of my Methodist Church when I was younger.

I have a friend who is heavily involved in the local C of E and she’ll often start to tell me something about the Church and then she’ll say to me ‘ no point telling you this as you’re a Methodist’ it always makes me laugh because she says it with sadness and despair!

Anniebach Tue 22-May-18 09:00:57

The most inspiring preacher I have ever heard apart from my baptist father ?. Has to be Donald Soper, use to drive from Wales to London to hear him preach in Hyde Park.

Luckygirl Tue 22-May-18 09:25:32

Meghan and Harry chose the preacher - they knew what they were getting. That seems fine - can't understand what all the fuss is about. He did what he says on his tin!

annodomini Tue 22-May-18 09:52:25

Young minister: What should I preach about?
Old minister: Preach about God and about 20 minutes.

Anniebach Tue 22-May-18 10:01:48

I doubt Harry chose the preacher , did they attend this priests church in America, Harry isn’t known to be a ‘church goer’

Anniebach Tue 22-May-18 10:12:00

polly, I am the g g granddaughter,g daughter and daughter of Baptist ministers. I was brought up a baptist, I chose to become a member of the Anglican Church in my teens. Untill recent events I attended services in a Methodist, Baptist, Calvinist, Pentecostal,RC Churches, and a Quaker meeting house. Same God, same love.

The most inspiring preacher I have ever heard ,apart from my father?. Was Donald Soper, surely the most well known Methodist since John Wesley I use to drive from Wales to London to hear him preach in Hyde Park.

pollyperkins Tue 22-May-18 11:08:41

Well I stand corrected! My father was also a non conformist minister (not baptist though) and I was brought up and have remained part of that tradition. I'm sorry - I made that assumption because a lot of my CofE friends have little or no knowledge of non conformity and display staggering ignorance about it. Im always having to correct their comments yet they expect me to understand Cof E terms!
I did not intend to offend you -just curious!

jenpax Tue 22-May-18 11:33:28

I loved it! I love this style of gospel church and singing etc it was so joyful and passionate and straight from the heart. I find Anglican services (often beautiful liturgically) don’t engage me or make me feel part of a Christian community.. I have a friend who is a pastor in Malawi and his surmons are just like this. The whole congregation get involved with all aspects of the service young and old and the church really support each other. Anglican churches I have tried are all very stuffy and rule based, children are not encouraged to play an active role outside of carefully scripted events, and the whole thing feels a bit out of touch. It’s no wonder church attendance is in decline it doesn’t speak to most people today

Day6 Tue 22-May-18 11:38:18

I thought it was incredibly inane. As if the majority of that over privileged over entitled self obsessed congregation would give a damn about ending poverty and preventing children going to bed hungry

Yes, the right-on-ness of it all, the whole service, made me heave, considering the audience it was addressing in St George's Chapel.

The more I thought about the service the more it seemed like a pat on the head to the ill-informed. It was as though the uber privileged Harry and Meghan were trying to teach us all about compassion, multiculturalism and loving one another. For the press to gush about the monarchy afterwards and the world changing because of Harry and Meghan was insulting. They were showing the ignorant plebs how it is done because Harry had taken a wife who is one quarter black.

Preacher Curry's message was fine, a good message about love, but it is delivered often by people with heart and any skin colour. His message was lost in delivery sadly, when he started repeating himself and going off-piste.

Smileless2012 Tue 22-May-18 11:46:53

I agree goldengirl his address was like a breath of fresh airsmile. He spoke of harnessing the power of love and what better occasion to do so than a wedding.

Day6 Tue 22-May-18 11:47:35

I doubt Harry chose the preacher , did they attend this priests church in America, Harry isn’t known to be a ‘church goer’

Exactly. Not only that, it was pointed out frequently that Meghan wasn't at all religious. She had to convert to the CofE and be baptised and confirmed in order to marry Harry.

Belief is in the heart.

I think I'd have had more respect for them both if they'd had a smaller, less regal service, just as Charles and Camilla did. Meghan is also a divorced woman. A blessing in church would have been enough. Instead we were almost forced to witness and swallow the 'diversity' message (at great expense and with great ceremony) via the Royals.

Most of us live with diversity, multiculturalism and poverty in the streets and towns of the UK and most of us do our best (in far less privileged circles and circumstances) to ensure we live with compassion and love.

Anniebach Tue 22-May-18 11:49:00

No offence taken Polly, if we don’t ask we won’t know. For me, i respect the church I am worshiping in, I certaintly wouldn’t start clapping in a Quaker meeting house, I will join in with clapping and the joy of saying Hallelujah in the Pentecostal church. I so enjoy ‘passing the peace ‘ in the Anglican Church , one feels part of a family

pollyperkins Tue 22-May-18 11:50:16

If the pampered celeb rich congregation did not want to hear about poverty perhaps it is a good thing that they did!

maryeliza54 Tue 22-May-18 11:53:55

But it won’t make any difference will it? And if he really wanted to do that he could have done it much more effectively than he did.

Anniebach Tue 22-May-18 11:55:32

Such a wise post Day6 .

There was dignity in the marriage of Charles and Camilla as there was in the marriage of William and Kate, in my opinion.

Day6 Tue 22-May-18 12:02:03

Yes Annie, I agree.

The Harry and Meghan extravaganza was 'a message' and was swallowed hook, line and sinker by the adoring masses and the press.

TV viewers carry on living caring lives in a multicultural society as well as facing all the problems associated with living in modern day Britain, on a daily basis.

But, thank goodness we had Harry and Meghan to show us the true face of diversity, eh, as it's lived by incredibly rich people?

Bridgeit Tue 22-May-18 12:10:03

Shall we all sell our IPads today & donate the money to charities! Every thing is realative some have money to have & to give some have no money to give, most have a little to have & a little to give & there are some who have plenty but do nothing for anyone else, most do a little of what they can.
How come I am seeing the same reporting of starving people around the world as I saw as a child, why is that..? Where did that money go.

Anniebach Tue 22-May-18 12:16:20

Still the wealth is dragged into it. Poverty has nothing to do with a marriage service, and guests be they wealthy or poor should be treated with respect, as guests should treat the marriage service with respect.

Day6 Tue 22-May-18 12:16:58

Yes, when I was little I saw photos of starving children in Ethiopia and today children still starve.

However, we now have Royalty in the form of Meghan and Harry, new world crusaders, who'll visit them often and have ensure lots of photos are taken of them with emaciated youngsters.

Sting, Bono and the usual virtue signallers - who are the most modern ones? - will no doubt be in their entourage.

The future is bright. The future is HarMeg. hmm

Day6 Tue 22-May-18 12:19:15

Sorry. I am going to stop the cynicism, given the OP is about Preacher Curry.

And loving one another.

<slaps own hand>

Besstwishes Tue 22-May-18 12:20:26

well I consider myself well patted on the head then.

How patronising of you day6 .

Day6 Tue 22-May-18 12:22:26

Nah, Besstwishes, more cynical if anything....

Anniebach Tue 22-May-18 12:22:32

I have learned something today about this episcopal church , so much love that a man who stabbed a 17 year old to death and sentenced to 20 years repented whilst in prison so was ordained a priest of the church, whilst still serving his sentence .