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Bishop Michael Curry's Sermon

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Alexa Sun 20-May-18 08:51:16

I hope that love will become the great paradigm shift in a similar way to the paradigmatic invention of firemaking.

pollyperkins Tue 22-May-18 14:11:02

smile bestwishes

pollyperkins Tue 22-May-18 14:15:05

Well I think we've got off the point so will leave this thread now. The gardening is calling!

Besstwishes Tue 22-May-18 14:16:21

Please send me the time and date of the post where I mentioned the word Malice.
I will look at it again and examine the context.

Anniebach Tue 22-May-18 14:24:25

I have low vision and cannot read the small print sorry, your attacks were posted today and you have forgotten why you said what you did ?

Besstwishes Tue 22-May-18 14:32:28

Same size print as all the other comments, and I am pretty sure I didn’t mention the word malice.

And the rest of my comments , I feel, are pretty self explanatory.

And I think our conversation has to come to an end as it seems to have hijacked the OPs thread.

For which I apologise to Alexa

Anniebach Tue 22-May-18 14:40:04

No, they are very small, you seem to have more vision problems than I. Not self explanatory, where is the spite and even more baffling why would I be bitter over a wedding ceremony ?

Anniebach Tue 22-May-18 14:45:37

Apologies for going off topic, hoped for an explanation but my accuser wants to end my questioning.

Iam64 Tue 22-May-18 15:56:25

Bestwishes, apologies for my quick response to your comment about boys and abuse. Thanks for correcting my mistaken assumption.
How sad it is that there seems so little understanding or acceptance of others

Anniebach Tue 22-May-18 16:06:22

Is it possible to accept all things from all,people ? Understanding is perhaps easier than acceptance

BlueBelle Tue 22-May-18 16:17:04

Bloody amazing. a few women can’t talk about love without squabbling ?

Iam64 Tue 22-May-18 16:29:53

Acceptance of difference, especially in matters of love and faith - always providing no harm is done.

grannyactivist Tue 22-May-18 20:55:02

The address by Bishop Curry took me back to my own wedding. Our minister was also American and spoke on the same text from the Song of Solomon 8:6 - the difference is that our sermon lasted for about thirty (yes, thirty) minutes and had us all captivated. We had hymns and Christian songs and some lengthy prayers from friends and family. A non-Christian friend of my mothers came out of the church at the end of the service and exclaimed, 'bl**dy hell, I've been in a church for two hours and I was enjoying myself'! She subsequently became a Christian. grin

Alexa Wed 23-May-18 08:13:37

Grannyactivist, thanks for the reference to Song of Solomon 8:6 . I looked it up.

Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame.

The Song of Solomon compares sexual love with Love. So it's appropriate to a wedding. The idea of the seal is like an indelible mark upon my feeling and intentions so that I remember that love is to be the first and main motivation .

That must have been a very talented preacher at your wedding. Unfortunately not all preachers are talented, and not all church services inspire Love. Ministers often have to be democratic towards their congregations and so tend to be mediocre.

grannyactivist Wed 23-May-18 18:15:08

Yes, Alexa, our minister was not only very talented, but was/is also a dear friend who has now returned to America. We're fortunate that he gave us a copy of his address, so it sees the light of day every few years when we remind ourselves of the content. I am often asked to do the bible readings at weddings (and funerals!) and the last couple chose this as one of their three readings - the first time I've ever been asked for this particular reading.

Jalima1108 Wed 23-May-18 18:21:42

Bloody amazing. a few women can’t talk about love without squabbling

Bluebelle

I only watched it last night (missed it all on Saturday) and all I will say is that, had it been shorter and more succinct, but still with the passion, he might have made his point better.

Jalima1108 Wed 23-May-18 18:22:03

what happened to the grin for Bluebelle?

Mapleleaf Wed 23-May-18 19:39:25

I've said in a previous post, I think the wedding was lovely, and I enjoyed the sermon/ address. The whole wedding was very refreshing in its approach. I also think the Bishops words about love are very important. It seems to me that there's not an awful lot of love being shown in this world of ours. It also seems as if his message is getting a bit lost on this thread. I'm not perfect, by any means as one of the posters on here knows, and I regret that I was hurtful. I, too, need to take on board the Bishops message.

Jalima1108 Wed 23-May-18 19:44:48

MawBroon doesn't the message of love keep need repeating. We are so slow to learn.As it says in 1 Corinthians 13' Three things remain-Faith,Hope and Love and the greatest of these is Love'

and said so much more succinctly by Paul the Apostle in 1 Corinthians ch 13 v 1-13 mumofmadboys

Jalima1108 Wed 23-May-18 19:57:30

Bishop Curry is not an evangelical pastor, as some posters seem to assume.
Thank you for pointing that out anno - yes, he is an Anglican Bishop.

Jalima1108 Wed 23-May-18 20:00:32

Any sermon I 've heard in CofE has been staid and formulaic
mcem We endured 15 minutes of a sermon on hell and damnation (apparently we were all headed there) by a curate in a C of E church. All we were expecting was the welcoming into the church of several infants and small children who were being baptised.

grannyactivist Wed 23-May-18 22:16:45

There is a tale that goes along the lines of:
On the first Sunday, a new vicar used John 13:34-35 as the sermon text. “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” The congregation was pleased with the vicar’s first Sunday and first sermon.
The next Sunday they were surprised when their new vicar preached the exact same sermon using the exact same scripture lesson. When the vicar preached it a third time on the third Sunday, the congregation complained to the leadership. The chair of the vicar-parish relations committee went to the vicar and asked the obvious question, “Why are you preaching the same sermon every week? The vicar simply answered, “When the church starts practicing this sermon, I’ll write a new one!" grin

Alexa Thu 24-May-18 00:01:14

Grannyactivist, the new vicar was mistaken to think that any sermon was going to be sufficient to activate them. Doesn't there have to be an element of entertainment as well? Michael Curry used the entertainment value of the royal wedding as the decor and medium for his message. He is a very clever man. His message is immensely more important than any wedding.
The very expressions on the faces of members of the congregation, were enlivened, some of them mildly disapproving indeed, by his delivery and message.

DanniRae Thu 24-May-18 08:17:42

Well I think that the fact that we are still talking about it now - 5 days later - means that Bishop Michael Curry is a very clever man!
BTW I am in the 'very enjoyable to listen to but it went on too long camp' smile

Mapleleaf Thu 24-May-18 09:50:25

You are so right, * Dannirea* ?

Anniebach Thu 24-May-18 09:52:04

We are still talking about the wedding dress too