same sex marriage-in church

In view of the royal family whose Queen is the head of the COE and who allowed a member of her own family to marry a divorced person in church a rule that over the years saw many couples denied a church marriage ceremony, my own family included, then there should not be any discrimination against same sex couples wanting a church ceremony.
Maybe her strong willed new granddaughter in law can put in her opinion .

New Testement - St Paul speaks against homosexuality in Corinthians, Romans and Timothy ..

Marriage between man an woman comes from the Old Testament and the New Testament, what is in the prayer book in the Anglican Church are words from the New Testament

Jesus does speak of marriage , Matthew 19.

I promise to stay with you until I get bored or someone better comes along is an insulting comment to those couples fighting for the right to a civil partnership. I’m still waiting for a logical reason why civil partnerships should not be extended to those who do not buy in to the concept of marriage with its patriarchal history

To use the words of the Bible, or any religious text, to back up any argument is always flawed. Everything was written by men who thought they were interpreting the Word of God.

I believe that Homosexuality is part of God’s creation.

maryeliza54 You are being very quick to see an insult today, should I be taking umbrage and feeling offended? I hope not.
Marriage is no longer as rigid an institution as it used to be, Those vows can be tailored in a register office to fit, and the terms and dynamics of the personal relationship have always varied with the individuals anyway. I am sure many couples having any kind of wedding think deeply about the vows they make to each other, but many more make rash promises in a haze of romance and optimism.

Half of marriages ending in divorce is not the fault of marriage per se, but of people rushing into it and rushing out again when they hit a problem. It is very easy to get married and equally easy to end the marriage. If all marriages had a probationary year after which they had to be either confirmed or cancelled, then the statistics on how well confirmed ones last would be revolutionised.

The OT was superceded by the NT. Christians surely go by the teachings of Christ not the Jewish people thousand of years earlier! Anyway what chapter &verse are you referring to?

Old Testament

I dont think Jesus said a ything about this. St Paul may have made comments about marriage but the bit about marriage being between a man and a woman comes from the prayer book I think, written 100s of years after Jesus' life &death.

My DD is in a "same sex" marriage. the Civil Partnership Ceremony was held at the local Registry Office 8 1/2 years ago, when it became legal for a "same sex" marriage to take place they went along again to the Registry Office & went through the "formalities" just the two of them, this was just over 3 years ago. I went along with a friend but we waited in the beautiful gardens so we could take some photos. They had no desire to have a Church Service but did want the added security of being Mrs & Mrs.

I have a DD & DiL, 2 beautiful DGSs who are very happy

As far as the Established Church goes I believe the decision should be left to individual Priests (or whatever the relevant Church Leader is) & Congregation. much as is the case for marrying Divorcees in Church

Bridgeit, the Bible doesn't state that.

When you have had one or more failed marriages, marriage has unpleasant associations; speaking as someone who this applies to, I have an almost superstitious 'dread' of marriage and would be much happier to have a civil partnership which doesn't carry any baggage, so I completely agree that it should be an option for everyone.

And also the views of the members of churches must be respected.

It is a problem for theologians to decide,because the original biblical vows says it is a union between one man & one woman.
So they whilst they may be happy to marry same sex couples, they may have misgivings about the biblical teachings of it.

I think it’s great that people of all sexuality still want to marry & commit to each other although I don’t beleive marriage makes it more or less likely that we succeed in staying together.

equalcivilpartnerships.org.uk/category/latest-news/

It wouldn’t be forced onto anyone. It would be an option. It will be interesting to see what the Supreme Court decides.

I support options I do not support this being forced onto people.

That’s just not the case Elegran the argument is not about ‘hedging your bets’ and quite frankly I think that’s quite an insulting thing to say about the thought out position that some couples adopt. Given that about half of all marriages end in divorce there’s hardly a ringing endorsement for marriage is it and the seriousness that many couples have towards it. No one would be forced to have a civil partnership so I really cannot see the reason not to allow it as an option.

If two people are committed enough to legally join together in a life partnership, then choosing an even 'looser' link than a non-religious register office one does seem to be hedging their bets. "I promise to stay with you until I get bored or someone better comes along".

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/264844/131210___1625_SSM_and_civil_partnership_diff_table_1_.doc

I found this interesting - especially the bit that a civil partnership records the existence of your mother and not just your father.

Its precisely because civil partnerships are NOT marriage that some couples want to be able to have access to one. Marriage as a concept is predicated upon a set of assumptions that not all women ( or men) accept in their relationship. It’s not about it being a ‘looser’ relationship but a different one. A way of celebrating and formalising a relationship without the historical baggage. I can’t see one reason why it’s not available

It is the decision of each denomination

Love is love and to be celebrated in churches and out - there is little enough of it around.

Well thats what I thought at first but apparently a civil partnership is not quite the same and they are not officially 'married' -however they will have the legal rights of spouses for example when one of them dies. Apparently some people prefer this looser relationship.

A register office marriage is a civil version of the traditional church wedding, open to all. When same-sex marriages were first made legal, that was the 'thin end of the wedge ' until denominations began to allow them in church.

Agree sodapop. I really can’t understand why the Government won’t allow it - there can’t be a cost implication.

I agree as well. I also think that all couples should be able to have a civil partnership if they wish not just same sex couples.