same sex marriage-in church

Jesus tended to say what we should do rather than shouldn’t. He’s quite clear in the gospels, about one man being with one woman. Everything else is sin/ adultery. In Romans, Paul talks about the “error” of men being lustful to other men, and the same for women. God was clearly against it in the Old Testament, and Jesus confirms His wishes in the New. Jesus is God after all.

No! Of course not! Just saying they might start a bit of a think tank on the subject. Perhaps even open up their minds a bit.

The "Think Tanks" are going on in all denominations. It takes place in conferences and committees in stuffy rooms and sometimes by e mail and other communications too.

When I started here a page or so back I mentioned the decision of the Methodist Church on the matter in question. That was the pronouncement of the "Think Tanks" that have been going on for a while in Methodism .

The C Of E is currently in the middle of its latest and it will publish next year. However, the debate is causing a lot of friction and it is suggested that there may well be a split between the orthodox and evangelical wings and the progressive wings.

Different denominations are taking different approaches . Methodism has declared that it holds the Biblical line . I believe the Baptist Union has said something similar. All have their "Think Tanks"

How does anyone know that this God of the bible (Old Testament) has been written up quite wrongly by the priests of the time. Just made into a god of their liking.

I will add this, nothing more. People who hold a Christian religious faith would say that they know what God wants and thinks through successive layers of what they call revelation.

Its off topic anyway unless you want a general theological discussion ( and a local Priest might be better placed to talk about it one to one if you are interested)

The whole debate seems to have gone off at several tangents since last night. I have to say I am disappointed but that is the way of things in social media- shallow and fleeting. I thought it might be different here but I was wrong.

I suppose since we are not continuing because as has been said, no one is really interested in the actual debate/discussion, I can declare my own interest.

In my work I actually deal with the issues being raised here. I have been involved over many years with the issue in synod and on committees. I have even had some small works published on the matter. Much of what I was talking about is my specialist area. I just thought that instead of the stuffy drawing rooms and corridors I usually debate in I would have a go here.

Clearly I was wrong. I guess I was a bit bored and thought it would be nice to chat to different people. I picked the subject as one I have some background in and a real passion for. Nothing more really.

I wish you all a good evening. Thank you for the opportunity of saying something anyway.

No, I still have not said which part of the church I belong to , what my personal views are, nor will I. Please do not try to double guess me or suggest baiting. I dont do that. I just like to talk to people genuinely and honestly.

I think that's a futile endeavour, but if you want to talk about your feelings about gay people, you go right ahead and keep busy. I really don't think anyone will take offence. Honestly, we really have heard it all before.

Actually you couldnt be further from the truth if you tried. Please do not call me "Honey". I am not.

So I just imagined centuries of the Church controlling women’s bodies and thus their health, lives, opportunities, freedom, equality? Silly me

Wll, yes, you do appear a bit silly with that comment to be brutally honest. It hardly refelects any understanding of how the hisotrical Christian culture of western societies developed differently to some others largely because of their faith foundations.

But as I said when I commented, its not an issue for this thread.

How can a fact be nitpicking?

We could view ‘leave your families ‘ differently I agree, for me being part of a large extended family wouldn’t mean the same as someone who thinks of family as a nuclear family.

But doesn’t change the fact you are saying the 12 apostles had families . To me this is nit picking sorry Bridgeit, it is forgotten Christ was a Jew , born a Jew died a Jew, buried according to Jewish custom.

Discussions ref the. Bible rarely conclude to the satisfaction of all due to the fact that no one knows the truth or accuracy of its contents,my comments were based on the readings & teachings that I have grown up with, the fact that it’s is open to so many interpretations is IMO what causes so much discourse, hostility ,devisons & wars . Sadly the polar opposite to that which was intended.

And ?

The Scriptures of the Bible, New Testament .

Bridgeit. Does it matter which century? You know the 12 men had families , the Bible does not say this. We know there were both men and women accompanying Christ, we know Salome the mother of James and John was one.

We know Christ was considered a Rabbi and this to Jews would be so important.

We need to remember we are discussing Jews and their way of life. A widowed mother would not be left to fend for herself, still isn’t, family is so important in the Jewish faith,

Ahh Fairpoint Gone girl, & Men havnt changed much to this day?

You've got to look at the bigger picture. There was a huge project being started here. And, let's face it, they all did a pretty good job. We're still talking about it now.

Jesus couldn't go trudging around doing it all himself bridgeit! Be reasonable.

Sorry Annie, I’m not being funny, but that’s quite a thought leap you have made here.
Are we discussing the writings of the Bible or are you asking me if now in 2019 I think that men should stay with their parents?

Bridgeit you think adult men should stay with their parents ?

Apologies for short posts multitasking ?

My post said : leave their families.

The Bible does not say the twelve apostles were all married , it does not say they lived a nomadic life style , it does not say the twelve were present at every movement Christ made .

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Bridgeit you know they lived a nomadic lifestyle, you know the twelve apostles were all married men ?

Perhaps you have watched Hollywood biblical films

Not really Gonegirl it’s life in a market town in Welsh mountains, until recently the priest in the church i use to attend ‘until I moved to another part of town ‘ was openly gay and his partner was a priest in a town just over the border , no one had a problem with this. The Church runs the food bank, has a scheme where household things, furniture etc is stored and given to those who need things.

Think we must have volunteer groups for everything ?

If the couple getting married are committed Christians,then they would presumably want to have a religious ceremony.
If the couple are not why would they want a Church wedding , regardless of sexual orientation.
And to the original question , I guess the Churches are moving with the times , which is a good thing ,after all God sent Jesus to teach love & tolerance. ( But i never understood how encouraging 12 men to leave their families to live a nomadic lifestyle was in anyway responsible behaviour, all a bit hippyish to my way of thinking)

You have had an amazingly busy life Ab. Quite puts me to shame.