Mediumship demonstration

Charlatans.

I don’t think Christians should parade faith and say mediumship is dangerous. How do they know? The history of the Christian church is full of dangers. Killing Muslims in ‘holy’ crusades. The Spanish inquisition, burning at the stake. Even murder was dealt with by a legal system of ‘bot and wite’ i.e blame andcompensation to victim’s family. Only when the church got involved did punishment turn on cruelty. So called mediums use a lot of generalised conditions and amongst an audience there are bound to be people to whom the ‘messages’ apply, and if they are fake the problem is more about defrauding people than danger.

Although I consider myself a Christian, I'm also a big believer in Mediumship and life after death. I have had many Amazing messages from loved ones that have presented me with great comfort but I totally respect each to their own

I am a medium. I would like to say that we are not allowed to tell the future! I suggest that you may like to attend a Divine Service or Presentation of mediumship at a local Spiritualist Church. Spiritualists here believe in God
Also there are many examples of mediumship within the Bible. Several excellent books can offer examples. I am proud that I can share the wisdom and live that our discarnate friends and family wish to share, the compassion, conciliation and sometimes closure that occurs in a communication involving the medium, the world of Spirit and the Recipient. We do not plan who will receive that communication, we are just the voice. If evidence that life exists is needed or wanted please go to those who are trained and take their gift very seriously. I hope this helps

MISSDEKE has echoed my sentiments entirely, and by some posts on this forum I can see why wars are started, all in the name of religion. The words that come to my mind are intolerance, judgemental, controlling etc. I would never pay to see a spiritualist etc however, my daughters business friend (J) has always had a “gift”. She is almost embarrassed by it and would never use it to make money. She asked me if I could feel pressure on my shoulders and I could. She then said that there was a woman standing behind me with short blond hair, who was hugging me. My friend of that description had just been brutally killed in a hit and run. My daughters lovely mum in law sadly lost her cancer battle in Feb, and had taken her wedding outfit for her to be buried in. Out of the blue, J said to her, “your mum in law has told me that you mustn’t forget the necklace”. She always wore necklaces, J could not possibly have known that. I have a very open mind, and I don’t judge others unless they start lecturing me about what I should or should not believe in. Live and let live ..... in peace.

I would love to wrap all mediums up in a bag and send them into space to wander around for eternity - yes you can guess immediately that I don't have an open mind but maybe that's because as a bereavement pychotherapist I know definitively the damage that such charlatons do to the living who may be totally traumatised by the death of their loved one(s). When you die you are gone, full stop. If you are around death often enough you come to appreciate that. What is left is the feeling you have of being 'close' to the lost person spiritually but that is entirely conjured up in your own mind and people make of that what they want. It is not possible to talk WITH the dead, though it is of course possible to talk TO the dead as many people do whether it be to ashes kept in the house, or by a graveside. Unfortunately, those who are sufficiently gullible to pay money to watch this 'trick' of mediumship are simply allowing this bonkers and damaging practice to continue. No unbiased thoughts from me on this I'm afraid - purely evidence from dealing with hundreds of bereaved people.

PinkCosmos

Look at this by Darren Brown. It is part of his Messiah programme. It explains how mediums operate and demonstrates it himself.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=acnUkYNTk90

Yes, have seen it before, it’s worth a watch.
Nobody can contact the dead or know the future.

Mollygo

marionk

Nothing starts an argument (war) as easily as religion!

Marionk ???? well, religion and politics!

.....or Brexit ?

Look at this by Darren Brown. It is part of his Messiah programme. It explains how mediums operate and demonstrates it himself.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=acnUkYNTk90

Many years ago I worked for a publication house that had a monthly magazine dealing in Spiritulist matters.
2 of us were asked if we would visit a local lady who wanted to advertise with us & I went along with a friend to see if she was genuine.
She told me I was pregnant -I had taken my wedding ring off for the visit. She told my friend that her husband was working away ( he was) & that he had been in an accident that was his fault & he would go to prison- he did.
A couple of weeks afterwards I missed a period & sure enough I had a bouncing 10lb 8oz boy 8 months later.
OK it could all be a coincidence but it shook me!
When I was small we had a neighbour who attended a spiritulist church. To cut a long story short another neighbour having just recently moved in could not get her 3 year old daughter to sleep in her new bedroom- she screamed that the nasty lady in the corner didn't want her there. This lady asked if she could spend some time in the room. She came out & said there would be no more problems as the poor lady (the previous owner who had died at home) was upset that a strange child was in her room. She talked to her & explained she had to move on. There were no more problems & the child settled well.
OK I know all this can be explained but I am open minded on the whole thing.

Only ever been to a spiritualist meeting once and it was hopelessly crazy. She was giving most messages to people from their dead pets ie cats and dogs. Total rubbish.
My mum used to tell fortunes for fun and to help people. She never ever charged as the nuns at her church told her it was wicked. She was often right and things came true. I've been to several fortune tellers over the years. There was only one who was accurate and everything she told me came true, in the exact timescale she said. Had never met her before and was not my home town either.
The others were fakes.
I think some people can use a part of their brain to foresee the future but they are few and far between.
I do talk to my late mum sometimes when things are bad. I hope she can hear me but I don't know. It always makes me feel better anyway.

ExaltedWombat

I believe Christianity claims a monopoly on spiritual communication. Believing you have a direct line to your God is precisely as logical as believing you have one to your deceased auntie. If someone takes comfort from believing either, and doesn’t tell me I’ll burn from not doing so, leave them alone.

succinctly expressed what I was trying to say! Thank you

I believe Christianity claims a monopoly on spiritual communication. Believing you have a direct line to your God is precisely as logical as believing you have one to your deceased auntie. If someone takes comfort from believing either, and doesn’t tell me I’ll burn from not doing so, leave them alone.

marionk

Nothing starts an argument (war) as easily as religion!

Marionk ???? well, religion and politics!

I rarely comment on posts but this one has really annoyed me. Personally I can't abide organised religion & don't like being told what to do or how to think. I'm intelligent enough & have had enough "life" experience to make up my own mind in what I believe or don't believe.
Each person is entitled to take comfort & just because you don't believe in it doesn't mean its wrong & don't try to ram your views down other people's throats. I have my own beliefs which I am passionate about BUT I would never tell a Christian that God & Satan aren't real or a Muslim that Allah doesn't exist as that belief is theirs & they are entitled to it. I have an Uncle who is a Baptist pastor but you wouldn't know it if you didn't know it as he doesn't preach to everyone he see's or anyone who dares say his beliefs are false.
Don't try to force your views on people that don't want them & allow people of all religions & faiths to take peace from what THEY believe in. You should all be equal.

missdeke

I have been reading this thread with interest and I don't wish or intend to insult anybody or their own views. What I don't and can never understand is why someone with religious views thinks that their way of thinking is any more valid than any other. Who is to say that God is any more real than ghosts or aliens, or Hindu Gods, Pgan Gods or anything else? I personally have no religious views whatsoever, I also believe that everybody has a right to their own beliefs and and if they get comfort from them then that's all to the good. But nobody, neither me, the Pope, an Imam, The Archbishop of Canterbury or head of any Church or way of thinking has any right whatsoever to impose their views on anybody else.

Wars have been waged in the name of religion for so many years, terrible acts have been perpetrated on others by people who believe that their way is the only way and all it takes is for all to accept that others have their own way of living their lives. As long as no one is hurt just live and let live.

Just this....

I have to admit to a feeling a bit at the number of people posting on this thread who seem to genuinely think that Satan is lurking, waiting to drag in the unwary, and that only they as declared Christians can warn us of this. All a bit Middle Ages religion to my mind. Satan? Guy with pitchfork and horns? Not all mediums are charlatans; some are of course, but what of charasmatic Christian preachers such as the late Billy Graham and his modern day equivalents, the TV evangelists? Now they, to my mind are real charlatans making false promises, putting fear into people's minds, taking money off people and talking to spirits

I have been reading this thread with interest and I don't wish or intend to insult anybody or their own views. What I don't and can never understand is why someone with religious views thinks that their way of thinking is any more valid than any other. Who is to say that God is any more real than ghosts or aliens, or Hindu Gods, Pgan Gods or anything else? I personally have no religious views whatsoever, I also believe that everybody has a right to their own beliefs and and if they get comfort from them then that's all to the good. But nobody, neither me, the Pope, an Imam, The Archbishop of Canterbury or head of any Church or way of thinking has any right whatsoever to impose their views on anybody else.

Wars have been waged in the name of religion for so many years, terrible acts have been perpetrated on others by people who believe that their way is the only way and all it takes is for all to accept that others have their own way of living their lives. As long as no one is hurt just live and let live.

I believe in the power of the Universe. I believe the soul returns and is born again to carry on its learning and teaching process. Some souls are very wise...old souls. Some are young souls....the boy/girl racers I suppose. They do things without thinking...but they learn from that. We are here to learn. Do I believe that souls contact us though If they want to they will...they do not need a medium to do this.

NanKate

I’m a non-attending Christian with just a touch of Buddhism.

My mother knew things before they happened, she hated this and did everything to suppress the knowledge. I suspect my son is similar.

I believe ‘some’ Mediums are genuine. However I wouldn’t go to a demonstration.

My beliefs and sentiments exactly NanKate. I was brought up to have an open and questioning mind. I believe in allowing and respecting others to have their own point of view.

TrendyNannie6 "not all mediums are charlatans"
As a Christian I quite agree. Whilst many perceive Christianity as a life style based on writings in the Bible, for some, like myself, it is based on a supernatural experience of the Holy Spirit in our lives. As such, we are fully aware there are 'other spirits'. These do not come from God. These spirits will know things about us and can deceive us into believing they are our 'lost loved ones'. Basically not all are fakes. These mediums are communicating with evil spirits. RUN!

Ive been to spiritualist churches, i would say ive had info that no one else could have known.I would say that the majority of mediums are doubtful.Remember Daren Brown
and his expose? I would say there is something some mediums tap into, what is it? Why is the bible the only way?
Religions are based on faith, at least spiritualism offers something.

Toadinthehole

Alegrias1

Like I said above Smileless2012, people can believe what they want and its got nothing to do with me. There is a difference between belief and fact and although I will argue facts with anyone, anytime, I normally will not get involved in religious discussion.

However if someone states as fact that another person is wrong in their beliefs and that that they themselves know better, I find that unacceptable.

Interesting how this thread has moved on. Alegrias. I would say savvy made a statement of too, and was effectively telling previous posters they are wrong. We all do it. As a Christian, I recognise the urgency to get across to people, especially when dealing in the Oocult, which as Christians, we know this is, but appreciate if you don’t believe it. The Bible says many people won’t, so we expect it.

You must be able to see yourself in your last paragraph!

I don't know Savvy but she made a statement about her religion and its beliefs in Satan. Then another poster told her the beliefs of her religion were wrong, and that her own beliefs trump Savvy's. I'm not religious, I have no faith, and I certainly don't have enough hubris to tell someone my beliefs are truer than theirs.

So no, I don't see myself in the last paragraph because I understand the difference between belief and fact. And I am certainly not sanctimonious enough to tell people that their beliefs in the supernatural are dangerous while my belief in the supernatural is fine. Surely you can see that in your statements?

Nothing starts an argument (war) as easily as religion!

Been in the audience many times and had accepted messages from a few well known mediums always been happy that they have been genuine, never given them any information to feed off, also been called up on stage too twice, both times having to give jewellery over to the medium who has told me things about the person whose jewellery I was wearing . ( my deceased mum and dad, not all mediums are charlatans,