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Not to Be Served , but to Serve.

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Caleo Mon 08-May-23 10:09:33

That is the message of the church service of the Coronation. It's also the core of Chivalry which at its best is an arm of the Christian message.

Caleo Thu 11-May-23 10:00:32

Indeed, Saetana. Both the late Queen and Prince Charles were and are devoted to their Christian duty to serve others before themselves.

This entirely good aspiration, the King would find easier to accomplish if the Church of England were disestablished and thence could advise him without prejudice.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 11-May-23 09:59:58

They weren’t married in church. They had a civil ceremony.

Glorianny Thu 11-May-23 09:50:56

Elegran

Why complain that as Charles is divorced he shouldn't be head of the C of E?

It has always been possible for a couple to separate and live apart as though they were not married. Divorce is just a way to do that as a permanent legality.

What was not accepted by the church until recently was to marry another while the first spouse was still alive. Charles didn't remarry until well after his divorced wife had died.

The advice given to the clergy about remarriage would probably rule Charles and Camilla out

Would the effects of the proposed marriage on individuals, the wider community
and the Church be such as to undermine the credibility of the Church’s witness to marriage?
 Would the new marriage be likely to be a cause of hostile public comment or scandal?
(e) Would permitting the new marriage be tantamount to consecrating an old infidelity?
 While it would be unreasonable to expect that the couple should not even have known
each other during the former marriage(s), was the relationship between the applicants – so
far as you can tell from the information made available to you - a direct cause of the
breakdown of the former marriage?

Whoops on all of them!!!!

Callistemon21 Wed 10-May-23 22:44:00

nadateturbe

I think most people understand we don't have an absolute monarchy.

I did say some

It's quite surprising.

Anniebach Wed 10-May-23 21:16:40

Thank you lemsip

Saetana Wed 10-May-23 20:59:15

The King's commitment to serve, rather than be served, was straight from the ethos of his late mother Queen Elizabeth. Yes, it is Christian in nature but I recall she stated as a young Princess that her whole life would be dedicated to service - and so it was.

lemsip Wed 10-May-23 20:49:25

Anniebach

Who wrote the book ?

Robert Jobson.

Our King, charles 111, the man and the monarch revealed' sunday times best selling author. 2023

nadateturbe Wed 10-May-23 20:06:02

I think most people understand we don't have an absolute monarchy.

Anniebach Wed 10-May-23 20:04:53

Who wrote the book ?

lemsip Wed 10-May-23 20:02:39

it's in the new book about the king so I googled it for truth and sure enough there is lots about the passage used.

I got the book from the library, wouldn't pay money for it.

Smileless2012 Wed 10-May-23 19:48:11

Well I never knew that lemsip. Certainly shows their desire to 'be right' with God.

lemsip Wed 10-May-23 19:44:12

copied and pasted

Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles will apologise for their sins and wickedness and ask for forgiveness at their marriage ceremony, 34 years and two failed marriages after they first fell in love.

But it is a significant move by the couple who chose a forceful passage of penitence from the traditional 1662 Book of Common Prayer, rather than a softer modern reading, to seal their union before God.

Smileless2012 Wed 10-May-23 19:34:04

Yes and that was 18 years ago Elegran which shows how things have progressed.

Elegran Wed 10-May-23 19:28:25

Why complain that as Charles is divorced he shouldn't be head of the C of E?

It has always been possible for a couple to separate and live apart as though they were not married. Divorce is just a way to do that as a permanent legality.

What was not accepted by the church until recently was to marry another while the first spouse was still alive. Charles didn't remarry until well after his divorced wife had died.

Callistemon21 Wed 10-May-23 19:26:17

Elegran

Callistemon21

If I were King or Queen I'd have a weekly audience with my elected Prime Minister which is what the Head of a Constitutional Democracy does.

I thought the late queen did that, and I assumed that Charles would continue the practice.

Yes, he will.

I'm not sure some people understand what a Constitutional Monarchy is, though.
We do not have an Absolute Monarchy in this country.

Elegran Wed 10-May-23 19:20:33

Callistemon21

If I were King or Queen I'd have a weekly audience with my elected Prime Minister which is what the Head of a Constitutional Democracy does.

I thought the late queen did that, and I assumed that Charles would continue the practice.

fancythat Wed 10-May-23 18:25:16

I had no idea either.

Smileless2012 Wed 10-May-23 18:16:42

I had no idea that the NHS costs so much fancythat no wonder it's often described as a bottomless pit.

fancythat Wed 10-May-23 18:09:32

Just did the maths myself.
Using google figures.
It appears to be correct.

Smileless2012 Wed 10-May-23 18:01:23

Really fancythatshock just shows how expensive the NHS costs to run.

Anniebach Wed 10-May-23 17:54:53

Yes Diana said much !

fancythat Wed 10-May-23 17:52:10

Hithere

Isn't nhs on a crisis? Less money on education?
Meanwhile, there is a coronation - those funds have much better purposes

I read that the entire cost of the Coronation would fund the NHS for 5 hours.
I dont know how true that is.

Mollygo Wed 10-May-23 17:38:15

holcombemummy60

I still fail to see how someone who is divorced can become the head of the Church of England talk about double standards c of E won’t marry divorced couples even if they are the innocent party but will charge you a fortune for a blessing. Really and yes Diane did break her vows in the end but as she put it there was always 3 of us in this marriage . I think that says it all. He used her as a brood mare for heirs as Camilla wasn’t going to provide that for him. I will never forgive that woman or man . Yes I have been cheated on and hoodwinked so prehaps more bitter than some

Some of what you say is incorrect, which you should have checked. Some of this is your opinion, which you’re entitled to, except when stating as fact something you have no proof.
You don’t need to forgive them. They don’t need your forgiveness. They haven’t harmed you.
I’m sorry you have been cheated on and hoodwinked and can’t forgive those that did that to you.

Callistemon21 Wed 10-May-23 17:31:20

There is always two sides to a story, icanhandthemback

icanhandthemback Wed 10-May-23 17:28:20

holcombemummy, I'm with you but have been told on here that it is all about forgiveness. Personally, I prefer the Head of the Church to have been a little less emotionally destructive to his wife and kids but I guess we all have different ideas about these things. There was much made of Charles' role in the music concert so the music referencing Romeo and Juliet with "A time for us" seemed particularly tasteless when you think of Camilla's and Charles' journey to the throne. I am sure that he is very sorry for all the hurt though. 🙄