Britain is as Bad ,or Worse than ,Israel: British Oppression

And the Aboriginals - we have apologised to them for things done hundreds of years ago by people very few are descended from. Most people who came here in the early days simply didn’t want to come here. Only a few were involved in dreadful massacres but we are all responsible apparently. Some of my ancestors had their lands confiscated because of their religion- maybe I should seek an apology and reparation?

As far as reparations are concerned this could be a never ending merry go round that would trigger all sorts of demands. There are countries that were occupied by Germany, in particular Greece and Poland who have recently voiced that Germany's compensations for atrocities and piliging were way too megre. It could be argued they have a point, but equally those amounts could bring about financial ruin which I'm not sure would benefit anyone As far as Britain is concerned we contribute more than others in aid, some of which unfortunately gets misappropriated and doesn't reach those who really need it. It's been mooted how many centuries do we go back in addressing national misdemeanours. Likea pack of cards collapsing, in the end most of the world would be culpable for sins of their past. Do we then get on to personal histories, such as, for example,an ancestor was mowed down at The Peterloo Massacre, A Tollpuddle Martyr, Press ganged, victims,transported, exploited? A can of worms imo. Life was pretty awful for so many not so long ago.

Totally agree with Witzend, Chocolatelovinggran and TerriBull

Whilst Britain is our country, it is somewhat random to hold up our colonial past and expect mea culpas from the present generation. Most of Europe have subjugated other nations, and those nations themselves will have stratas within their own societies who have traded and trampled over their own people. I remember being in Mexico and a Mexican courier telling a party of us whilst being ushering around a Mayan site "we've never really forgiven the Spanish for what they did to us" Google the French involvement in Algeria, Indochine or The Belgians in The Congo for a couple of examples, none of us covered ourselves in glory.....but we live in the now, when appallingly there are more enslaved people than there ever were, imo energies would be better directed towards bringing an end to that!

I agree with Oreo et al - very few nations histories are without shame, but we have to learn to live with each other now, or the bitterness corrodes future harmony.
I am a Christian but would not like to be held responsible for the many terrible atrocities done in the name of Christianity over the years.

I do often wonder whether other European countries that had empires, beat themselves up about it as much as Britain does. France, The Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Portugal….

Glorianny

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

Read what I posted please, not what you think I meant.

I said that if I disagreed with a countries past and present ethics as much as you do I would relocate

How on earth you can twist that into me telling you that you should leave?

Glorianny

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

Yes but Glorianny, it’s such fun to watch you do it. And in time honoured tradition, you opted not to answer my question.

Glorianny

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

The twisting of what posters say is really creative.

OMG the squirming on this thread is ridiculous.

I wouldn’t move to China, Russia, Venezuela or any other Country which I couldn’t believe in their modus operandi

If the policy of the U.K. government was so far removed from my personal ethics I couldn’t pay my taxes to support it.

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny my parents left the U.K. when they disagreed with the policies of the Government of the time.

They relocated to Europe, payed their taxes to that Country. My sibling was schooled from Primary through to Secondary and left with European qualifications.

I commuted between two Countries with children whilst working.

Nobody in my family is a fascist!

Some leave some stay to fight and try to change policies. I wouldn't deny your relaties the right to leave, I wonder why you feel you have the right to tell someone they should leave?

I wonder why you feel you have the right to tell someone they should leave?

No-one did.

It’s all in the interpretation.

GrannyGravy13

If I disagreed with a countries past and present ethics as much as you do Glorianny I would relocate.

Sorry isn't this telling me I should leave?

Glorianny I wouldn’t presume to tell anybody where to live or what to think.

My Family returned to the U.K. when they thought it was the right time.

Sometimes family has to be uppermost, politicians and their policies changes with the wind.

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny my parents left the U.K. when they disagreed with the policies of the Government of the time.

They relocated to Europe, payed their taxes to that Country. My sibling was schooled from Primary through to Secondary and left with European qualifications.

I commuted between two Countries with children whilst working.

Nobody in my family is a fascist!

Some leave some stay to fight and try to change policies. I wouldn't deny your relaties the right to leave, I wonder why you feel you have the right to tell someone they should leave?

The majority of Countries on Earth would have to pay out for past crimes.

African countries would abduct from neighbouring countries and sell for slaves.

Oreo

I think he was right not to apologise in that way.It was a complicated conflict and wrong done by both sides.
What some countries want after an apology is really money
People involved in Kenya at that time are gone now.
How far back do people want to go with historical apologies?

Well said.

I'm not always proud of British history, and have been made to feel very guilty on occasions when traveling, but I think the demand for 'compensation' takes the sincerity away from any apology,

I could not agree to any apology for things that happened in the past, it wasn’t anything to do with me or mine. We have so many ancestors who died in the workhouse, where are my apologies and reparations?

Glorianny my parents left the U.K. when they disagreed with the policies of the Government of the time.

They relocated to Europe, payed their taxes to that Country. My sibling was schooled from Primary through to Secondary and left with European qualifications.

I commuted between two Countries with children whilst working.

Nobody in my family is a fascist!

You are twisting it again.

You're forgetting free will.

Many have not had that choice, Jewish people for instance.

Callistemon21

Oh, do not try to twist that, Glorianny!

There's a world of difference between being driven out of a country and leaving voluntarily because you dislikd its politics.

There's a difference between politics and ethics Callistemon21

I suppose the idea that if people disagree with you they shouldn't be here is completely compatible with the view, that our ancestors did no wrong, and we don't benefit from their wrongs. It's just strange that people don't realise the connection. The roots of discrimination and colonisation are still buried deep in the national psyche

Oh, do not try to twist that, Glorianny!

There's a world of difference between being driven out of a country and leaving voluntarily because you dislikd its politics.

GrannyGravy13

If I disagreed with a countries past and present ethics as much as you do Glorianny I would relocate.

Well that's a great philosophy that has been held by most fascist governments. If you don't like what we do get out. I wonder how far you'd carry that GG13?