West Bank: Brutality of Israeli Soldiers

Valdali, thank you for explaining how the torturer injures himself besides injuring the slave.

Generally speaking, an entire nation of people may be persuaded to believe that it's right to torture and eliminate certain others.
Germans , a previously super- civilised nation ,were persuaded during the 1930s that Jews were evil and less than human . Germans have overcome the psychological effects of Nazism among the people. I am sure that Israelis will eventually change their attitude towards Palestinians only God knows how this will happen.

I didn't claim that Netanyahu was PM in the 70's and 80's .
For the record, he doesn't have a great reputation as regards human rights.

Well researched , but he wasn't PM when my friend worked in Israel and witnessed those assaults .
Begin was .
It's a tragic history .

Benjamin Netanyahu[a] (born 21 October 1949) is an Israeli politician who has been serving as the prime minister of Israel since 2022, having previously held the office from 1996 to 1999 and from 2009 to 2021. Netanyahu is the longest-serving prime minister in Israel's history, having served a total of over 17 years.

Not in the 70’s and 80’s

This is academic -there has been ill treatment of Palestinians for many years .
My friends and others witnessed it .
To my knowledge -
Netanyahu has been PM since 2022 .

At some stage ,the longest serving PM is Netanyahu, strange , most strange,

Possibly it was a government led by Menachem Begin .

Who was the evil right wing government at that time ?

It might let Netanyahu off the hook then .
What's happening now doesn't .

Lets Netanyahu off the hook

Thank you Esme

Anniebach -I can't ask my friend as she has passed .
But I recall as far as I can - that what she witnessed occurred in the late seventies -early eighties .
I understand that things are far worse now.

Esme these attacks were carried out by Israeli soldiers in Israel? what years please ?

Anniebach -
My friend witnessed elderly people and children being man handled and verbally abused at checkpoints She also heard inappropriate language and actions against teenage girls. Fluent in Hebrew and almost fluent in Arabic-she was not mistaken .
She was really distressed by what she saw and came back to the UK .

Never been accusations of Israeli soldiers being trained by the
Israeli government to brutalise children in Gaza. Why in the
West Bank ?

Yes, I remember Phillipa from Israel, very knowledgeable and intelligent comments Allira but as you say I think she had enough of posters who felt they knew better than her even if they came from Dartford/ Chorley/ Leicester and were Palestinian supporters into the bargain.

Yes Allira the poster who lived in Israel was under constant
attack, this when she was on this forum and in her own home
with attacks from Hamas

Claremont

I am sure, quite rightly.

This is not the question here however. Many ex Israeli soldiers talk about the de-humanisation of the Palestinians- sub-human vermin. And even worse, the use of grief back home to intensify the de-humanisation even more.

Until they just could not do it anymore- and returned damaged forever, ptsd and worse, the guilt- and speaking out about the gratuitous violence and celebrations, against ordinary citizens, whole families, mothers, grand-mothers, children and babies.

Do you live in Israel Claremont?

I ask because you seem to have extensive knowledge of what many Jewish people think and now of what Israeli soldiers discuss too.

Btw posters on here could be from any country in the world.
Yes, of course, Oreo, you're correct and if does add to the variety of posts and views. We did have another poster who lived in Israel and her views were interesting but I think she left because her views were under constant attack, sadly.

Pantglas, if only, but Hamas can do what brutality they choose , and with support . I fear we are witnessing the 1930’s in Europe being repeated

I asked Caleo if English wasn’t her first language as it may well not be, since she got my comment so spectacularly wrong.
So did you Claremont so equally English may not be your first language either.
You commented on youths using slingshots against well armed IDF forces and I said it was a stupid thing to do then and high time they stopped doing it.
A perfectly clear comment.
I didn’t compare slingshots with high tech weapons I contrasted the two.The youths slinging stones should cease and desist, then they wouldn’t be injured or arrested.
Btw posters on here could be from any country in the world.

“Until they just could not do it anymore- and returned damaged forever, ptsd and worse, the guilt- and speaking out about the gratuitous violence and celebrations, against ordinary citizens, whole families, mothers, grand-mothers, children and babies.” Claremont

If only Hamas felt the same…

De-humanisation of the 1930s and 40s in Germany.

I am sure, quite rightly.

This is not the question here however. Many ex Israeli soldiers talk about the de-humanisation of the Palestinians- sub-human vermin. And even worse, the use of grief back home to intensify the de-humanisation even more.

Until they just could not do it anymore- and returned damaged forever, ptsd and worse, the guilt- and speaking out about the gratuitous violence and celebrations, against ordinary citizens, whole families, mothers, grand-mothers, children and babies.

I would imagine the Geneva Convention will have plenty to investigate in the treatment of the hostages taken by Hamas.

Caleo

Annieback we are not speaking of Jews and Muslims. These are religious groups. We are speaking of political groups not religious groups. Christians, Jews, and Muslims can all embrace each other as human beings in the spirit of ordinary human kindness.

We are talking about the scale of atrocities. Israeli atrocities are condemned by international law. Netanjahu is an international criminal.

Christians, Jews & Muslims can all embrace each other as human beings in the spirit of ordinary human kindness.
They can, & most times they do. Israel is not about jewishness, Israel is about a state that for too long has thought of itself as special , and has not had it's territorial ambitions curtailled by its own size & resources.
In 12 years a slave, I think, one of the slaveowners said he didn't allow flogging of slaves - not primarily from squeamishness, but because he knew it would brutalise the overseers doing the flogging, and this was an evil thing. Isn't this the point Caleo is trying to make about these young Israeli soldiers manipulated into seeing west Bank Palestinians as less human than themselves?