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West Bank: Brutality of Israeli Soldiers

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Caleo Sat 01-Mar-25 11:59:11

Brutalisation of soldiers affects not only the non -combatants whom they kill but also the soldiers themselves.

The evil of the right wing Israeli state affects the souls of its own subjects.

nanna8 Sat 01-Mar-25 12:04:04

So does the evils of Hamas.

Cossy Sat 01-Mar-25 12:13:08

nanna8

So does the evils of Hamas.

Yes, both are very damaging, and here, as in Ukraine (& many other countries) I pray for peace.

nanna8 Sat 01-Mar-25 12:13:51

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Caleo Sat 01-Mar-25 12:19:22

Yes and all the other evils since the world began. But I am trying to address this particular evil of the deliberate brutalisation of soldiers.

Caleo Sat 01-Mar-25 12:24:18

There are international laws for combatants. The scale of which Israeli attacks upon helpless people far outweighs in scale and illegality those of HAMAS .

There exists no concerted effort by HAMAS to wrest the West Bank from Israel.

keepingquiet Sat 01-Mar-25 13:22:40

Their is wrong on both sides, and both have governments that do not put the interests of their people first.

As usual, it is the innocents who suffer...

Indigo8 Sat 01-Mar-25 13:35:07

nanna8

So does the evils of Hamas.

Why do people always throw up the actions of Hamas as justification for the brutality of the Israeli army?

If the Israelis had only attacked known, or even suspected, members of Hamas you might have a point.

Anniebach Sat 01-Mar-25 13:52:20

Hamas are Palestinians , Hamas hide in tunnels , hospitals, schools

Smileless2012 Sat 01-Mar-25 13:55:10

What does that have to do with this thread Annie? Are Hamas hiding in tunnels, hospitals and schools in the West Bank?

Anniebach Sat 01-Mar-25 14:00:21

Surely hiding everywhere You know schools and hospitals are
Free of hidden terrorists

Smileless2012 Sat 01-Mar-25 14:05:33

This thread isn't about Hamas Annie.

Galaxy Sat 01-Mar-25 14:06:31

No it never is.

Caleo Sat 01-Mar-25 18:35:52

While it's true that soldiers should be taught how to kill people it's also true that soldiers should be taught the laws of warfare.

God knows how young men, young soldiers, are indoctrinated to kill babies, and boys of twelve going about their lawful , civilian business in the West Bank! I don't want to know how these young men are trained it's enough to know that they are trained to be military criminals, and that this training alters their very souls.

Israel seems to me to be more like my country than is any Islamic country. But not only Israel ---- also the world in general ----is becoming more right wing ,and states are become more repressive .

Caleo Sat 01-Mar-25 18:37:32

Anniebach, babies and children of any colour are not HAMAS.

Anniebach Sat 01-Mar-25 18:49:10

Caleo little sense in O/P,

Caleo Sat 01-Mar-25 19:12:35

Sorry about that Anniebach.I do my best.

Caleo Sat 01-Mar-25 19:15:11

I guess we need a map of the area .

Claremont Sat 01-Mar-25 19:17:42

The title is clear 'WEST BANK'

this is NOT Gaza, and not Hamas. Why would people comment unless that have a minimum understanding of the situation.

Anniebach Sat 01-Mar-25 19:30:09

Caleo who are you accusing of brutalising and why?

Caleo Sat 01-Mar-25 21:22:13

Anniebach, the people I particularly accuse of brutalising young soldiers are people who form the regime that rules Israel today.
Israeli soldiers act more like terrorists than soldiers who have been taught the rules for lawful wartime engagement with an enemy.

Claremont Sat 01-Mar-25 21:26:21

Annie, why don't you inform yourself? There is a lot of evidence of the etnich cleansing going on right now, not in Gaza, but in the occupied West Bank. IDF soldiers are very active in this mission, without mercy, without pity, and with the utmost cruelty. And are protecting illegal settlers in the buring, destruction of homes and terrible treatment of the Palestinians.

Children are being killed like rabbits. Yes, those children may be throwing stones at tanks and bulldozers coming to destroy their homes, their crops, and everything else. That is all they have- children against bulldozers and tanks, and machine guns.

And this is happen all the faster, and all the 'better' because of settlers and soldiers being told that the Palestinians are sub-humans, vermin and rascals- and therefore not deserving of any rights or respect.

This is often how soldiers can do what they do- the only way is to actually believe the enemy is somehow not quite human, or not human at all, but animals and vile terrorists.

This is how other genocides happened in history.

Caleo Sat 01-Mar-25 21:29:05

The Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols are a body of public international law , also known as the Humanitarian Law of Armed Conflicts . They aim to establish minimum protections, standards of humane treatment, and fundamental guarantees of respect to individuals victimized by armed conflicts .

Indigo8 Sat 01-Mar-25 21:31:44

Anniebach FACT. Natanyahu has been accused of war crimes by the UN.

Anniebach Sat 01-Mar-25 21:35:07

Thank you Caleo , why not say who is brutalising young soldiers, you speak of ‘the regime that rules Israel today’
You mean the Israeli government ?