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Justin Welby says he 'forgives' John Smyth

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Ziplok Sun 30-Mar-25 13:37:38

No, it’s not a “ rubbish religion”. However, what is wrong is the amount of abuse being uncovered done by people who are supposed to be there as guides and supporters in the faith to the congregation, and the lack of prompt and adequate action to deal with it - that is the rubbish part, and these individuals need bringing to account for their actions, and the ones failing to act also need bringing to account. To say the religion itself is rubbish is pretty unkind and hurtful to all who follow the faith, and frankly, unhelpful.

Galaxy Sun 30-Mar-25 13:36:27

I think there are many reasons to judge Welby, I don't think this is one of them. It is part of his faith to forgive presumably any crime. I don't subscribe to that but I understand that there are people who do.

TerriBull Sun 30-Mar-25 13:36:26

It's an inner prejudice, from being raised a Catholic which I put my hands up to and God knows there's enough wrong with that religion, but I can't help finding some of the spiritual leaders of the CofE so wet and uninspiring.

As you say Monica, it's not his place to forgive only the abused can do that.

silverlining48 Sun 30-Mar-25 13:33:56

I happened to watch the Laura Kuensberg interview on tv this morning and when he said he could forgive Smyth i thought bad idea, he had hesitated a second so had time to think but still said yes.. He followed this with something along the lines of the victims had every right not to. Quite so. Obviously!
He has said and done some foolish and irresponsible things and will be remembered as the first ever A of C to be forced to resign. Rightly so in my opinion.
The interview rather reminded me of P.Andrews unfortunate one.

rafichagran Sun 30-Mar-25 13:33:00

I wonder of the victims are so forgiving. Easy for him to say that.

TakeThat7 Sun 30-Mar-25 13:29:28

Pretty rubbish religion

TakeThat7 Sun 30-Mar-25 13:27:40

After seeing him forgive John Smith I thought of all the fire and brimstone
preachers who think hell is justice for all people who don't know Jesus as they say and haven't been born again These people don't question why God wouldn't forgive someone who had never heard of him and might even be kind ok people But Smith was probably amongst the saved and maybe even born again

M0nica Sun 30-Mar-25 13:16:35

How was this catastrophe of a clergyman ever considered suitable to be Archbishop of Canterbury?

A few months ago he resigned because of the CofE's failure, at his level, to deal with sexual scandals within the church.

Ysterday, it was reported that he said that the church at his level failed to respond to the many cases of sexual abuse that landed in their inbox because they were overwhelmed by the number.

This despite the knowledge of the rampant nature of sex abuse within the church being well known for years. I am a catholic and for some years our parish priest was a Cof E priest who had changed sides and when I spoke to him about concerns I had about the amount of sexual abuse being revealed in the catholic church, he told me that what was happening in the catholic church was far less than was happening in the church of England!! This was nearly 20 years ago.

Today the papers are reporting that Justin Welby is reported 'forgiving' John Smyth, a man who abused 100 or more young men. Who is Justin Welby to be 'forgiving this man. He was not one of the abused. Only those men abused by Smyth can forgive him.

The phrase about being in a hole and stopping digging occurs to me. It doesn't seem to occur to Justin Welby.

As I said why on earth was this apology for an Arch-bishop of Canterbury ever thought suitable for the position.