Antisemitism

Dee1012

I watched Louis Theroux: The Settlers on IPlayer last night...I'd urge everyone to watch it.

Chilling doesn't even express some of the content.

I watched it too and would recommend it.

I will

Why don’t you watch the programme Annie. You might learn something. Or not. Entirely up to you.

70 year struggle 1955 ? the war in 1948 was 5 Arab countries attacking Israel

It’s hard to watch but it should be seen, especially by those who have little concept of the Palistinians 70 year struggle to keep their lives, lands and their livings against the might and power of Israel.
Do they know how many Palistinians, have been killed over the last decades, forced off their land, out of their homes with no right of return and no reparation. They live in refugee camps in surrounding countries, to this day.
Israel have not allowed humanitarian aid into Gaza since the beginning of March, a crime in itself and the plan clearly is to take, by force, as much if not all Palestinian land for Israel.
It was once chillingly called Lebensraum. Does that ring a bell with Netanyahu and his cronies? It should.

Caleo, the programme will do nothing to change how you feel about those extremists. Don't think I could watch more that that excerpt.

Caught an excerpt from it on Facebook. If that's how the Settlers feel, there will never be peace.

I also highly recommend watching the Theroux programme on bbc2 last night.

I watched Louis Theroux: The Settlers on IPlayer last night...I'd urge everyone to watch it.

Chilling doesn't even express some of the content.

Yes fact

Anniebach

Some may support, some may not support

Some do support, some do not support - that is a fact.

Some may support, some may not support

Anniebach

To say ‘some support many who don’t’ , is not fact ,

How do you support that? It is not fact that every Israeli or Jew supports Netanyahu. Some may support some of his actions, but not others. What I do know for an absolute fact is that in the last Israeli elections Netanyahu's party did not achieve an absolute majority and there was some doubt about whether he would be able to form a government. That was before the Hamas attacks.

Wyllow3

I think its quite straightforward in one way - 36 people with standing in their community (ie deputies on the board) wrote a letter with their POV, as individuals, they didn't claim it represented the board of deputies. It was strightforward and undramatic unlike the Miriam Gargoyles interventions.

I'm supposing problems arise if people conflate criticism of Netanyahu with anti-semitism and it's quite possible some Jewish people fear that as a result of the letter or the letter will be used as that.

I'm not sure it is that straightforward.

They start the letter with

We write as representatives of the British Jewish community, out of love for Israel and deep concern for its future.

OK, they are representatives of the community but they cannot possibly be speaking on behalf of the community because they haven't canvassed the community - a slightly nuanced and easily misinterpreted opening sentence.

Later, they say

...we, members of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, fear for the future of the Israel we love and have such close ties to.

Again this could be misinterpreted and this I think, is where the issue lies.

I do see both sides - the Deputies wanted to add some gravitas to the letter in order to demonstrate their standing in the community and their commitment to Israel and it's people.

The Executive Board needed to emphasise this was not an official BOD letter and that Deputies do not have the authority to speak on behalf of the organisation.

I would guess (and yes, I am just guessing but I think it's an educated guess) that an overwhelming majority of Jews have every sympathy with all the innocents pulled into this dreadful war. Jews don't want to see innocent people of any faith, or race or creed brutally murdered or tortured or made homeless or lose their livelihoods and be uprooted from their homes.

It's such an emotive and sensitive issue that anyone wanting to express their view walks a tightrope of eggshells. Someone will always take it the wrong way, be offended or upset or be angry however diplomatically those views are put across.

Thank you Wyllow honest, they support your views/opinions

Nothing so complex or intention to argue Annie.

I was glad they spoke up when they did at the time because its good to have different POV on Netanyahu,

but if the Board decides they didn't have the right to speak as Deputies as they did then thats different.

Yet you support the choice to speak out. Do you support posts
which are removed from this forum because they do not comply with the rules?

Well, allegedly didn't keep to the rules, that is what the complaints are, but of course you are right thats what they are investigating, and it can take 4 weeks.

bod.org.uk/bod-news/statement-from-the-executive-of-the-board-of-deputies-of-british-jews/

Seems the 36 out of over 300 didn’t keep to the rules , antisemitism has nothing to with it , did they have a right to claim to speak for those who didn’t write ?

Best wait for the findings?

I think its quite straightforward in one way - 36 people with standing in their community (ie deputies on the board) wrote a letter with their POV, as individuals, they didn't claim it represented the board of deputies. It was strightforward and undramatic unlike the Miriam Gargoyles interventions.

I'm supposing problems arise if people conflate criticism of Netanyahu with anti-semitism and it's quite possible some Jewish people fear that as a result of the letter or the letter will be used as that.

To say ‘some support many who don’t’ , is not fact ,

Of course not every Israeli supports him, just as any PM in times gone by, in Israel and elsewhere isn’t universally applauded.
And Jews living in other countries are just as diverse in their politics and opinions as anybody else.

Anniebach

‘Some support him, many who don’t ‘ , surely this can be said of every PM in every country, read threads on Starmer on this
forum

Exactly!

ferry23

Where is your primary evidence on this growstuff?

Daily reading a variety of media. It was all reported at the time (and still is).

‘Some support him, many who don’t ‘ , surely this can be said of every PM in every country, read threads on Starmer on this
forum