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Mercy and Hospitality

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Caleo Sun 06-Jul-25 08:04:19

I wish I could help Palestinians. Any one of us here at Gransnet, if a Palestinian mother and child in terrible need were to appear at our door seeking help we would take look after them

Anniebach Thu 10-Jul-25 09:31:40

Quote Caleo Thu 10-Jul-25 09:26:02
Sago , when I say "got at" I mean the Daily Mail is financed people with right wing agenda.

I never read it so can’t comment on it ,

Caleo Thu 10-Jul-25 09:31:30

Netanyahu and his right wing Zionists are not religious Jews.

Judaism is a respectable religion which does not endorse crimes against humanity.

Caleo Thu 10-Jul-25 09:26:02

Sago , when I say "got at" I mean the Daily Mail is financed people with right wing agenda.

As for Anniebach , she is well able to write her ideas, and does so better than some others ,so I won't patronise her.

Sago Thu 10-Jul-25 08:39:20

Caleo

Anniebach has been got at by the Daily Mail or readers thereof.

Anniebach is an eloquent poster who I have “known” since joining Gnet some years ago.

She is an intelligent lady with her own thoughts and views.

Were you “got at” by the Guardian or readers thereof?

keepingquiet Thu 10-Jul-25 08:24:56

Fear is a part of what it is to be human- whether you live by rivers, or in the desert, or in Ukraine, or South Sudan, or Myanmar, or North Korea...

Trying to allay your own fears by killing people is not an answer.

Anniebach Wed 09-Jul-25 22:40:22

Quote keepingquiet Wed 09-Jul-25 22:30:08
Anniebach
Quote keepingquiet Wed 09-Jul-25 15:49:04
Anniebach
Hamas has said “all Jews” so faith cannot be dismissed
Hitler said the same, but there are still Jews all over the world living peacefully in a variety of countries...

Not so, having guards at schools , Synagogues, graveyards is not living peacefully, not in UK
I misunderstood. Are you saying Jewish people are not safe in the UK but are in other parts of the world?

Or are you saying the UK is the only safe space for Jews?

If Jews were safe in the UK why is there fear ? I wouldn’t try to
claim I know if all countries are safe or unsafe, I do not

keepingquiet Wed 09-Jul-25 22:30:08

Anniebach

Quote keepingquiet Wed 09-Jul-25 15:49:04
Anniebach
Hamas has said “all Jews” so faith cannot be dismissed
Hitler said the same, but there are still Jews all over the world living peacefully in a variety of countries...

Not so, having guards at schools , Synagogues, graveyards is not living peacefully, not in UK

I misunderstood. Are you saying Jewish people are not safe in the UK but are in other parts of the world?

Or are you saying the UK is the only safe space for Jews?

Anniebach Wed 09-Jul-25 19:29:45

How I wish Hamas would leave Gaza and return the hostages , alive and dead

petra Wed 09-Jul-25 18:55:57

Caleo

I wish I could help Palestinians. Any one of us here at Gransnet, if a Palestinian mother and child in terrible need were to appear at our door seeking help we would take look after them

Even if was possible for a family to come to the uk there is no way our security services would sanction the move.

Galaxy Wed 09-Jul-25 18:36:52

Ha ha on a thread about kindness the usual oh daily mail readers unkindness. But yeah the good guys.

valdavi Wed 09-Jul-25 18:21:55

I wish I could help Palestinians. They are stuck, in the first place they can't get out & other Arab countries won't facilitate this because they believe Palestinians should have a future in their native land. Such is the (borrowed) power of Israel that if they are hounded out, Palestine will cease to exist.So Arab countries don't facilitate their hounding -out.
So many children, such needless suffering. If a host of nationalities appeared at my door & I could only take one family in, it would be the Palestinian one.

Maremia Wed 09-Jul-25 18:11:44

The ongoing Genocide has stirred up so much. Innocent people of the Jewish faith over here, and innocent people in Gaza are suffering.
Netanyahu knows what should be done. But if it doesn't suit him, then he won't, and the suffering will go on.

Anniebach Wed 09-Jul-25 16:06:13

Quote keepingquiet Wed 09-Jul-25 15:49:04
Anniebach
Hamas has said “all Jews” so faith cannot be dismissed
Hitler said the same, but there are still Jews all over the world living peacefully in a variety of countries...

Not so, having guards at schools , Synagogues, graveyards is not living peacefully, not in UK

keepingquiet Wed 09-Jul-25 15:49:04

Anniebach

Hamas has said “all Jews” so faith cannot be dismissed

Hitler said the same, but there are still Jews all over the world living peacefully in a variety of countries...

Caleo Wed 09-Jul-25 13:51:38

Anniebach has been got at by the Daily Mail or readers thereof.

Caleo Wed 09-Jul-25 13:49:43

Keeping Quiet wrote:

"Can we stop making this about religion and see it for what it is- a war about land grabbing and wielding power over the powerless?"

Absolutely!
I referred to the famous story of 'No Room At The Inn ' as it's so popular as an illustration of how ordinary human kindness can win against lack of mercy and of hospitality.

The background of that famous Biblical story is one of land grabbing and wielding power over the powerless.

Anniebach Wed 09-Jul-25 13:29:23

Hamas has said “all Jews” so faith cannot be dismissed

keepingquiet Wed 09-Jul-25 13:19:11

Not all the people of Gaza are Hamas or even Muslim. There are still Christians there too, and they suffer just the same. There are probably people who have no religion either, but they suffer too.

Not all Israelis are Jews- there are more Jews in the US than there are in Israel. The second largest population of Jews in the middle east live in Iran.
There are people of all faiths and none living in Israel.

Even Netanyahu does not practice his Jewish faith.

Can we stop making this about religion and see it for what it is- a war about land grabbing and wielding power over the powerless?

Caleo Wed 09-Jul-25 13:12:03

Maremia, you are quite right. I intended my original post to be polemical. I intended to compare how our ordinary human kindness is increasingly frustrated by how the State reacts to inconvenient truths such as genocide against Palestinians.

Allira Sun 06-Jul-25 11:05:23

Maremia

Thanks Allira, it does help us when we can give help.

It eases our conscience which is, in a way, a selfish motive, but if it helps that's all to the good.

Maremia Sun 06-Jul-25 11:04:25

Lovely memories AnnieB

Maremia Sun 06-Jul-25 11:03:03

Thanks Allira, it does help us when we can give help.

Allira Sun 06-Jul-25 10:54:37

It's not likely to happen so we can only do what we can.

Support those charities which might be able to help.
Don't forget about those conflicts which are still going on elsewhere. Nearby there is a Ukrainian hub and local people help there, people were more than ready to help the Afghan refugees.

Turn our feelings of despair and helplessness into practical support.

Support Save the Children, The Red Cross etc.

Anniebach Sun 06-Jul-25 10:52:41

Quote Maremia Sun 06-Jul-25 10:45:16
The kindertansport was just before the borders closed, so I believe. I met a lovely lady who had been just 4 years old. All settled and grown up family in our area.
She wrote a beautiful children's picture book about how she picked up the language.
Toured the local schools during holocaust remembrance weeks.

Yes my family in Wales were blessed with a child of Jewish faith, we had a long time friendship with Jews in South Wales,
I have journals of my g grandfather, he speaks of Jews helping to feed in soup kitchens during the depressions and miners strikes

Maremia Sun 06-Jul-25 10:46:18

Are you actually criticising the layout of the post?
The point of doing that is....?