Climate Change

I assumed you were joking - obviously not.

I don't know what that means Anagram. Sorry.

Ha ha!!

"Klaus-Eckar Puls, German physicist and meteorologist who supported the IPCC until he conducted his own investigation."

And you really think his own little investigation has more credibility than the projections of the whole of the Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Control?

Anyone seriously wanting to know about global warming should go and look on our own Met Office website.

Of course not! There's more mileage in keeping the myth alive.

You have to laugh because if you didn't you'd cry. A paper was "peer reviewed" (aye, right!), published, shown to be bad science, and pulled out of publication. Embarassment-tastic. The paper said Australia had been warmer during the last sixty years than ever before in the last thousand. Apart from the obvious comment of "so what? What's a thousand years out of four and a half billion?" just take a look at what this haha 'scientific' paper was based on:

"The certainty of Australia being 0.09 of a degree cooler 1000 years ago comes down to observations from a batch of trees in Tasmania and New Zealand. (If we can calculate the regional temperature so accurately that way, why do we bother with a network of 100 thermometers? We could pop a max-min gauge next to those trees and “interpolate” the rest, No?)
Why not skip the thermometers and just go with the trees? They’re accurate to one hundredth of a degree across a continent and sea."

People believe this stuff and then say sceptics are crazy. Yeesh.

Link to essay by Jo Nova here

The main-stream media is not reporting that the paper has been 'de-published'.

I am not a scientist, and neither are most people - we are in their hands.
As long as there are arguments on both sides, we do not know what to believe. They change their minds; and unless we undertake lengthy scientific training, we will not be in a position to make a judgement.

But.......I am disturbed by how the whole eco thing has become the new Original Sin - I hate to see children in schools being made to feel guilty about their every action in the modern world (OK - a bit of an exaggeration, but you get my drift). Our local school has the whole eco guilt message plugged endlessly and it bears a remarkable resemblance to the religious indoctrination that filled my school days.

And.....I do believe passionately that we should care for our world, conserve our resources and search for other sources of energy. However, it is very trying to see how I diligently recycle, use the heating with care etc. while others are profligate. I never fly - it is a wasteful method of transport - and that is one of the biggest users of energy - we need to get our heads round the idea we cannot go where we want when we want.

Oh, I love that quote, Bags!

In fact, the paragraph in its entirety is perfect.

Quote of the Week:

"Scientifically it is sheer absurdity to think we can get a nice climate by turning a CO2 adjustment knob." Klaus-Eckar Puls, German physicist and meteorologist who supported the IPCC until he conducted his own investigation.

[wooden spoon]

Bagitha ...I know you don't have a television ...but try to catch last night's programme on BBC2 "Orbit" on i-player ...I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

Well said, butty, on all counts.

I am not a scientist, and have little education in this sphere.

Having read the article Annobel posted, what concerned me was the emotive use of language......

persecuted
distorted
kill-off
crime against......
bring down
barrage of intimidation
innuendo
deniers

Words like these do NOT give me hope.

I believe climate changes, and on the whole view the changes as a natural organic process. Sensible and responsible use of resources of course is needed, but I seriously doubt that 'man' can bring about a significant change. Future generations will evolve along with their world.

Frankly, trying to control how the climate changes is little more than big business, and all that goes along with that. There's money to be made, and reputations to be upheld, but I don't think the earth worries about that.

There's a very interesting book by Donna Laframboise ("The Delinquent Teenager") showing the dirty tricks used by the IPCC to scare people into believing that climate change is a problem and needs to have billions and billions of dollars spent on it.

I don't condone death threats to anyone, but M Mann is not the innocent he makes out. If he has nothing to hide, why doesn't he (or his university, Penn State) publish his data in full so others can check it out?

Does anyone know anyone who denies that climate changes? Calling people who question the causes of climate change 'climate change deniers' is a dirty trick.

Bump

Here's a very interesting article showing the dirty tricks the climate change deniers in the USA use to discredit a well-known climate change scientist.

www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/mar/03/michael-mann-climate-change-deniers

What do you think of this report I saw today? Temperature going up, or is it going down? Are they now as confused as the rest of us?

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-agai

Just to add a lighter note ...well maybe ...to this intellectual tennis

I think I read somewhere/heard that most of the increase in carbon emission has little to do with industry ...but more to do with the number of cattle in the world ...who ...well I suppose I'd better put this politely ...continuously 'break wind'!!

So perhaps everyone should think about that over their next foray into their milk/beef meal!!

.... sorry, funded by.....
Must try to get hold of a copy as I couldn't use your link.

Carboncareful this has been widely reported. What is of most significance is that the research was partly funded 2 wealthy acknowledged sceptics, and that the figures produced by UK researchers ( and rubbished by the sceptics) have been proved to be accurate after all. I would say 'Happy days' but for the fact that there is no real cause to celebrate the confirmation that our world is warming!

This is from today's Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/oct/20/global-warming-study-climate-sceptics

It is interesting because it defines the difference between sceptics and deniers.

I just wanted to agree with those who think we should be less wasteful of the earth's natural resources whether or not we believe that climate change is a real threat.

I think that greed is the real problem. People expect to have more and more living space and more and more "things".

When I was a child growing up in central London I didn't know anyone who had a house. We all lived in flats even the girl whose father was a doctor and the one whose father drove a gold Jaguar.

Now I know single people with three-bedroomed houses. The extra fuel needed to keep one person warm, let alone the energy expended in providing all the other "necessities" could certainly be used in a more cost-effective way.

End of lecture

'nuff said Joan!

Sorry, should have done convert links

www.couriermail.com.au/news/gallery-e6frer96-1226166102098?page=1

Here's an example of climate change. I live in South East Queensland, which is supposed to be the sub tropics. It is the middle of spring, and usually stinking hot. For example, in 1987 we bought a house and had a solid fuel fire installed early August. We had to light it once to test it, but it was torture, it was so stinking hot. By October the hot and humid weather was always here.

Not any more. Look at these pictures from yesterday, Oct 13th.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/gallery-e6frer96-1226166102098?page=1

A lecture? Heaven forbid!

Good stuff Old GM