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Taboos and the reporting od science

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Bags Sun 29-Apr-12 15:39:28

No, we are not experiencing more weather extremes. If you are interested, and if you give me a bit of time, I can point you to records which prove that too. Global warming/climate change alarmism is simply that – alarmism. In 'street' parlance: Climate changes. Get over it!

Or adapt, of course, as we (and all other life on the planet) always have.

Oldgreymare Sun 29-Apr-12 15:34:33

Bags... PHEW!
Only came on for a quick break and look what I find!!!!! Will take time to look at all your references later, thanks.
Actually what makes me SAD (in both senses of the word) is that whatever we think the cause may be, the weather is changing. Without any real scientific evidence that I can quote to back it, I have always thought that global warming would lead to more extremes. I suppose we are witnessing that in our own weather patterns.

Bags Sun 29-Apr-12 15:23:43

butty, see if this link works: Lawrence Solomon article

Bags Sun 29-Apr-12 15:20:36

OGM, the evidence for the sea ice extent is in the following places all collected together for ease of reference (but with live links to the originals) at the link right at the bottom.

1. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Admin. (NOAA)
2. National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC)
3. The Danish Meteorological Institute
4. NANSEN Arctic ROOS
5. Cyrosphere Today – Arctic .Climate Research, Univ Illinois
6. Naval Research Laboratory
7. EC/Canadian Ice Service Map

sea ice reeference pages

Sad though it may make you, I think these guys know more about polar ice than David Attenborough. He's a lovely man and has made amazing programmes, but he hasn't got all his facts right about sea ice or climate change.

Oldgreymare Sun 29-Apr-12 15:17:17

Jacey or abuse it! grin

Jacey Sun 29-Apr-12 12:08:27

Like all things based on data ogm ...it's how you use it that counts! grin

Oldgreymare Sun 29-Apr-12 11:32:39

Bags I found the second article far more interesting than the first which seemed a bit of a rant. Where, for instance, is the writer's evidence that:
'...one eye-opener is the advance of ice in both the Arctic and Antarctic- both are now at average levels....'
when David Attenborough, amongst others, actually showed us the opposite.

Jacey Sun 29-Apr-12 11:27:26

Found both articles interesting ..including Lawernece's take on how journalists view scientists!

Scientists are human ...with all the character faults of any other group!!shock
Just think of the pride that held back the research into the 'Double helix'hmm

Butternut Sun 29-Apr-12 10:57:19

fp won't let me access it!

MrsJamJam Sun 29-Apr-12 10:48:09

I think James Lovelock has been saying much more balanced things about global warming for quite a while now, he certainly wasn't alarmist when my father heard him lecture last year.

Scientific reporting in the popular press is generally of pretty poor quality, I guess because being alarmist sells more papers than a reasoned and balanced discussion.

Bags Sun 29-Apr-12 09:12:58

Hereis the Royal Astronomical Society'sown press release about Svensmark's paper: www.ras.org.uk/news-and-press/219-news-2012/2117-did-exploding-stars-help-life-on-earth-to-thrive

Bags Sun 29-Apr-12 08:10:06

oops! title should say 'of' not od

Bags Sun 29-Apr-12 08:09:19

Here is an interesting article on science reporting and censoring. Can't say I'm surprised by Svensmark's latest paper. Not sure the author has understood how natural selection works. Will check that again.

opinion.financialpost.com/2012/04/27/lawrence-solomon-censored-science/