Help please.

This is the second one....

The first one has been flowering for weeks now, I've never come across it before, and the second one is in a wall at the front, it's growing into a small bush, and people keep asking me what it is.

I'd be very grateful if anyone knows.

The purple one is, I think, Verbena.

The blue one I've got one of and can't remember what it is called!

verbena

Thanks jings I just googled it and I think you're right!

I think the blue one is Vinca minor, otherwise known as Periwinkle.

Or the blue one could be Chinese plubago, ceratostigma.

Yes, you're right, anno. I've got that in my back garden. Such a lovely colour.

Sorry, plumbago.

Periwinkle - it's petals are distinctive.

It comes in different shades, too.

Lithospermum! The blue one.

Lithospermum! The blue one. I think!

No it's much bigger than periwinkle, It is Plumbago!
Thank you jendurham, I'll be able to sleep tonight!

Thanks when and anno, this is not a ground cover plant, it's a small bush, but kind of you both.

Sorry for the twice

That's what mine is and it looks the same. I have to grow it in a pot as my soil is chalky and it likes peat.

jings thanks .

I have just been pulling a lot of Periwinkle out from under my front window. Its lovely but it needs to be kept in its place. Better go out and clear up the mess.

The first one is Heliotrope or called the Cherry Pie plant as it smells like cherry pie.
The second one is not Periwinkle it is Ceratostigma willmottianum known as Chinese Plumbago.

Minty, Yes, after comparing the google images of verbena and heliotrope, you are right, it is heliotrope. The leaves are exactly the same.

Some of the photos on google look very similar

Anyway, thank you all.

Minty are you any good at wild flowers? That was a very precise ID of those 2.
I am pretty good but I saw one yesterday that confounded me - and the wildlife trust volunteer doing a flower survey, who i was chatting to didn't have it on her list. Welsh cliff top environment. Short yellow spikes - covered in small flowers - a bit like a prettier version of ragwort. But not that family. Not a St Johns wort family either. Here's the interesting thing - the seed pods are like little burs. Shaped like a tiny pepperpot and covered in hooks one end. I have drawn a blank in my usually excellent ID book. No photos (yet) - any ideas?

jess, could you do a sketch and photograph the sketch? Especially of the pepperpot burs because I can't quite imagine them.

That's amazing Minty. I had no idea about the second one. I've been calling mine by the wrong name for several years now!

Are you a professional gardener?

Both plants can be identified by the leaves as much as the flowers.
That's how I knew the blue one was not periwinkle. I have both Vinca Major and Minor in my garden.

Jess, could yours be an Alchemilla, known as Lady's Mantle? There are various types, some spiky, and they grow at the coast as well as inland.