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Fox hunting protects cows?

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Baggs Sun 31-Dec-17 08:53:31

A comment in the paper today: "Foxes are vermin, and like other vermin they need to be exterminated to protect creatures such as chickens and cows."

COWS❓🤔

MawBroon Sun 31-Dec-17 09:01:19

gringrin

Elegran Sun 31-Dec-17 09:57:52

Probably from someone who thinks that cows are cute little white woolly creatures that frolic in the spring, and foxes are large pack animals that howl at the moon while they eat grandmothers and hunt little girls in red cloaks.

Anniebach Sun 31-Dec-17 10:04:01

Easy to mix up a cow and a lamb, mooooo and baaaaaa are so similar

Fennel Sun 31-Dec-17 11:39:47

grin
Foxes aren't a joke though.
Yesterday I was walking along the lane with our dog and she saw some grey and white feathers in the ditch. She started sniffing of course, then up fluttered a poor pigeon, with some of her wing feathers missing. She managed to fly to nearby woods. Definitely the work of a fox, they're hungry at this time of the year.

lexigran Sun 31-Dec-17 11:47:38

Think they're getting confused with badgers? They carry TB which is a threat to cows...

Anniebach Sun 31-Dec-17 12:02:34

Fennel, cats hunt too

henetha Sun 31-Dec-17 12:12:08

Fox hunters will use any excuse Even if the statement was true, it is still unforgiveable to get all dressed up and have a jolly day out while hounding the foxes to death in some grotesque and cruel game. Foxes can be a nuisance to farmers, but shooting them is more humane than chasing them and having them ripped apart by hounds.
And, -foxes are not vermin. They are beautiful animals.

goldengirl Sun 31-Dec-17 12:18:20

What a load of .......!
There are some people who feel anything that moves is worthy of being shot. My father once took me to a hunt [we lived in a rural area] and since then I've been against it. It's an excuse to kill as far as I'm concerned I can't believe all the wasted time spent discussing whether the law should be repealed when there are so many other real problems that need to be addressed.
As for badgers - don't get me started on that!

Elegran Sun 31-Dec-17 12:32:40

Exterminated is a very strong word! Do they want every single fox in the country to be annihilated (and every fox in a stable loving relationship too?? That is what extermination means.

What would then happen to the corpses of wild animals which had died naturally? Foxes eat more carrion than they do prey caught live and remove these carcasses before they go rotten. They are the binmen of the woods. The live wild animals, like the poor pigeon, take their chances with the fox, as they do with injury, infection, hunger, cars and all the other hazards.

If there are too many foxes in an area to feed themselves on the wildlife and they start on lambs, cats and dogs, then there needs to be a cull - soberly and with care, not as a jolly day out - but if that removes every one and creates a vacancy for a predator, then the post will soon be filled by one of the youngsters old enough to leave a home nearby in the autumn.

Jalima1108 Sun 31-Dec-17 13:19:21

According to the UK Government Burns Commission, “the overall contribution of traditional fox hunting, within the overall total of control techniques involving dogs, is almost certainly insignificant in terms of the management of the fox population as a whole.” The fox population has not changed either since the Hunting Act as hunting with dogs never had a real effect on populations due to the fact that foxes are territorial predators whose population self-regulate. If you kill some in an area you are going to have foxes from other areas coming in to replace the population you eliminated. The proof of this is that when hunting with dogs stopped during the foot-and-mouth crisis, research from Bristol University (Harris, 2002) showed that the fox population did not increase. On the other side, if you try to kill many foxes in an area using all possible means, research (Baker & Harris, 2006) has shown that the likely effect is an increase in fox numbers.

Eloethan Sun 31-Dec-17 13:22:24

Rubbish. Just trying to build a case to bring back fox hunting.

Elegran Sun 31-Dec-17 13:31:08

"On the other side, if you try to kill many foxes in an area using all possible means, research (Baker & Harris, 2006) has shown that the likely effect is an increase in fox numbers."

Official research confirming what I posted, Jalima. Attempting to "exterminate" them completely would never work, and is not desirable anyway. There needs to be some kind of agency which controls the numbers to a reasonable level. What that reasonable level might be would probably be very difficult for all involved to agree on! So might the methods of control.

nightowl Sun 31-Dec-17 13:52:33

Let’s not forget that foxes are very good at controlling the rat population, particularly in urban areas.

Foxes are very good at controlling their own numbers. They have been remarkably constant for many years as the information provided by Jalima confirms.

Jalima1108 Sun 31-Dec-17 14:35:07

Rubbish
What is, my link?
It's an old one from 2006 and does not seem to be in support of fox hunting.

Jalima1108 Sun 31-Dec-17 14:35:56

Foxes are very good at controlling their own numbers
Unlike humans

MissAdventure Sun 31-Dec-17 14:36:25

"The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable".

Baggs Sun 31-Dec-17 14:46:23

Does that mean there aren't more urban foxes than there used to be in spite of claims to the contrary?

Jalima1108 Sun 31-Dec-17 14:49:26

I thought we were talking about the countryside
There be cows in the countryside that need protecting!

Baggs Sun 31-Dec-17 14:51:39

We were but I wondered if the claim about foxes controlling their numbers applied to urban foxes or whether the abundance of food that foxes can get at in urban areas means their population has grown, as the human population grew once we increased food production.

Baggs Sun 31-Dec-17 14:52:05

And improved sanitation.

Baggs Sun 31-Dec-17 14:52:44

Was reading an article t'other day that. claimed many urban ofxes have mange.

MissAdventure Sun 31-Dec-17 14:55:10

There are very many urban foxes around these parts. They have nowhere else to go, I would imagine, since the place has hardly any green areas left.

Jalima1108 Sun 31-Dec-17 15:06:25

Yes, there is an abundance of food and, of course, some people do encourage them.

MissAdventure Sun 31-Dec-17 15:09:57

Where my daughter lived, with a long garden backing onto farmland, most of the residents fed foxes. However, I live in a downstairs flat, in a rundown area, with communal bins which overflow, etc. Not so great to see foxes being encouraged into the mix.