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Day zero approaching Cape Town.

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Fitzy54 Fri 02-Feb-18 17:28:15

GG, you say you have no sympathy with South Africans because they have “failed to attend to the perils in their own country”. But surely your advice to them would be to do nothing at all and to quietly die, because “..there is no altering nature”?

GabriellaG Fri 02-Feb-18 16:32:02

We've had ice-ages multiple times since the world began and warming in between those times. We cannot regulate facts and they are facts. Whereas some regions of the Arctics have been seen (as recently as last year) to be amassing MORE ice than usual, there are areas in which the reverse is true. That us something we can't alter...not unless we kill off tens of millions of people and methane emitting animals, together with ALL vehicles and power stations, stop imports and exports and plant tens of millions of trees.
However much you try, there is no altering nature.
If it rains it rains...etc and no dance will make a whit of difference.
Consider this. If YOU cut down on your travel, were mean with your use of electricity and were frugal with water yet 75% of your road didn't do any of that, would you be inclined to swim against the tide, cut back whilst their use doubled or tripled?
There is no magic cure, not even if we did what I first suggested.
If Africa won't attend to the perils in their own country (and goodness knows, they get enough aid) then leave them to it. They're an idle nation with despots running it. I've no time or sympathy for them.

sarahellenwhitney Fri 02-Feb-18 13:36:26

Jane10
How true your TIA comment. Having a friend who was, for several years, on a works contract in that country I recall him saying those very words. The opportunities are there. Taking advantage of them is another matter.

Fennel Fri 02-Feb-18 12:00:28

Jalima wrote:
"I am surprised that they had not built desalination plants"
That's what I was going to say.
Other countries have had this problem for some time eg Israel who has been using de-salinated water for years. And Gaza . Could cause another war (God forbid.) Probably many other Middle east countries.

daffers Fri 02-Feb-18 11:53:36

ewn.co.za/2018/02/02/desalination-plants-on-track-to-deliver-water-says-city-of-ct?utm_source=EwnNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=body&utm_content=7
I am from Cape Town originally and son is still there. They can only flush loo twice per day using washing up and laundry dirty water

chrissyh Fri 02-Feb-18 11:14:28

I got chatting to a single lady at the theatre who was from Cape Town. She was, obviously, extremely worried about the situation and the fact that the government doesn't seem to have a strategy to cope with it.

BRedhead59 Fri 02-Feb-18 11:05:17

Middle-class people have been asked to have short showers of no more than 2 minutes. People in the Townships would love to have a shower of any length.
It has also been suggested that they stop watering the grapes in the wine producing area!
The politics of this is complex.

kittylester Fri 02-Feb-18 09:58:57

Cape Town!

kittylester Fri 02-Feb-18 09:58:10

I have it on reliable authority that it is currently raining in one bit of Xape Town - not enough but some relief!

kittylester Thu 01-Feb-18 06:48:27

DH's brother and family live in Capetown and are very worried - to put it mildly.

They are concerned about the prospect of civil unrest as the situation worsens.

Their view is that central government has not given funding to enable the building of desalination plants because the state is run by the opposition party.

And, of course, political corruption is rife.

Jalima1108 Wed 31-Jan-18 23:49:53

I am surprised that they had not built desalination plants

starbird Wed 31-Jan-18 21:35:15

Many years ago it was predicted that future wars would be about water - especially in areas like Russia/Iran/Iraq who share rivers and inland seas.

Jane10 Sun 28-Jan-18 16:30:07

Perhaps in the long run countries will just have to co operate to deal with global warming. With 70%+ of the surface of the earth under water it can't be beyond man's ingenuity to turn it into usable water for us all. If only men would just stop fighting over relatively tiny differences. Sigh.

starbird Sun 28-Jan-18 16:17:40

They do not have so far to go to capture some ice (eg an iceberg) to bring to shore and melt. If only a system had been set up before the crisis became imminent.

farview Sun 28-Jan-18 15:44:22

It's really frightening...I lived in S.A for 5yrs,had 3rd son born there,still got friends there, the people,animals,plants everything is suffering....WE are not looking after this beautiful planet...

whitewave Fri 26-Jan-18 21:43:29

I’m not criticising - it was simply a continuation of the chat about global,warming. My point is that it doesn’t matter how the practicalities are being approach, and one wonders exactly what we would do in the same position, but that global warming is a fact and imo the worse challenge the world is facing.

Jane10 Fri 26-Jan-18 21:32:52

I never said it was trying to detract from its being a symptom of global warming! I'm saying I saw it. It's not fake news! Commenting on the inertia about dealing with the drought in Cape Town.

whitewave Fri 26-Jan-18 20:40:11

jane it still doesn’t detract from the fact that global warming is getting real.

What on earth is doing to the wildlife?

Jane10 Fri 26-Jan-18 20:34:16

Silk =son in law!!

Jane10 Fri 26-Jan-18 20:33:30

We were there last year and saw then that the reservoirs were dustbowls. There is plenty of water in the North but there doesn't seem to be any plans for piping it south. I asked my SA Silk why no preparations appear to have been made. His response 'TIA' - this is Africa!!

Cherrytree59 Fri 26-Jan-18 20:26:12

I'm shockedshock
I have never visited but my parents lived there before I was born.
They loved south Africa.
My father still talked about Cape Town right up till he died in 2015.
What can be done?
Other pray for rain.
Heads have been buried firmly in the sandsad

whitewave Fri 26-Jan-18 20:14:03

Cape Town a city of 4.5 million people, may become the first major metropolis to run out of water, on April 12th. Day zero

This is global warming in action. The climate change which was predicted has in fact reached Cape Town 10 years earlier than expected.

At present the dams are 26% full and when they reach 13.5% tap water will cease.