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Post-Mortem report confirms Geronimo did NOT have TB

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midgey Sun 03-Oct-21 18:20:15

I wonder why there is so much fuss over one animal when farmers have been losing cattle for years, and yes they do care just as much as this owner did.

trisher Sun 03-Oct-21 14:44:09

The number of false and misleading statements made about this matter are unbelievable. The fact is that the animal may have had TB.
^ Chief Veterinary Officer Dr Christine Middlemiss said that the initial post-mortem examination of Geronimo found a 'number of TB-like lesions'.^
These are now undergoing further investigation, with tests including the developing of bacteriological cultures (growths) from tissue samples.
This normally takes several months, and experts expect to complete the full process by the end of this year.
A lesion is an area of tissue that has been damaged through disease - and in some cases, the microscopic lesions of TB in the affected organs can take a very long time to progress to larger, visible lesions, if at all.
Mycobacterium bovis can be grown in the laboratory from clinical samples, usually from tissue samples collected post-mortem. The culture process takes a long time because the bacterium grows slowly.
This process can only be carried out in specialist laboratories, and it is not always successful even in lab conditions. It is only after growth in the laboratory that the species of Mycobacterium can be identified.
So actualy no one can say for certain that the animal did not have TB until the culture tests are completed.

lavenderzen Sun 03-Oct-21 14:41:56

Just dreadful! However, it doesn't surprise me at all sadly.

ooonana Sun 03-Oct-21 14:22:33

So sorry words fail me ……..

Frizzywizzy Sun 03-Oct-21 13:07:38

Yesterday, a Press Statement was released to state that a new detailed DEFRA Post-Mortem report confirmed that Geronimo did not have Bovine TB (bTB.)

'The pathology report, which followed the preliminary post-mortem findings provided to Helen Mcdonald on the 3rd September, clearly showed that the Government's execution warrant relied on a flawed testing protocol.'

Dr. Bob Broadbent, Geronimo's veterinary surgeon, said that NONE of the lesions identified at post-mortem were pathognomic (specifically indicative) of bTB. Defra's expert pathologist refers to granulomas which have been classified on the TB50 form as 'atypical' of TB. Despite DEFRA claiming on the 8th September that all of the lesions are 'TB-like', the post-mortem report expressly RULES OUT any mycobacterial infection such as bTB relating to the lesions in the neck area. He also said that there are absolutely no lesions in the lungs or respiratory tract, which is the most common place you would expect to find lesions in an animal infected with bTB.

The press Statement goes on to say that it is also now clear that Geronimo met a brutal death. Red blood cells were found in the alveoli and the bronchioles. There should have been no red blood cells in Geronimo's lungs and so this strongly indicates that he suffered a traumatic death. We all saw the brutal way he was taken from the farm, when he was tied in the horsebox in a way that was likely to restrict his breathing. Alpaca's also need to lie down when being transported, but the rope around his nose and chin was too short to allow him to do this.

The tragic thing is that other camelid and cattle farmers will find themselves in a similar position to Helen Mcdonald and Geronimo as the Government's bTB policy has not changed.

I'm supporting her crowd funding appeal and also a petition on change.org calling for a public inquiry into the control of bovine TB. There have been too many lives lost already.