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COP 26 opens

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ElderlyPerson Mon 01-Nov-21 16:50:04

COP 26 opens

www.youtube.com/watch?v=udO8H_moxsQ&t=1520s

Here is a poem.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=udO8H_moxsQ&t=1790s

followed by The Prime Minister.

Elegran Wed 03-Nov-21 13:55:42

Sorry about the repeats. It wouldn't load at first.

Elegran Wed 03-Nov-21 13:54:49

Elderlyfirsttimegran I recommend you to watch it too.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjq4VWdZhq8

Elegran Wed 03-Nov-21 13:54:40

Elderlyfirsttimegran I recommend you to watch it too.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjq4VWdZhq8

Elegran Wed 03-Nov-21 13:54:39

Elderlyfirsttimegran I recommend you to watch it too.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjq4VWdZhq8

Elegran Wed 03-Nov-21 13:48:13

Joesoap Get him to watch David Attenborough's Cop26 presentation. There are some very persuasive active graphs.

Elegran Wed 03-Nov-21 13:47:30

Joesoap Get him to watch David Attenborough's Cop26 presentation. There are some very persuasive active graphs.

Joesoap Wed 03-Nov-21 13:37:08

My Husband will never admit anything about climate change, he says it goes in circles,but I point out it has never happened so quickly before, when you see icebergs melting, floods occuring, bush fires raging, drought in places never had drought before, that must tell you something I say to him but he is not convinced.I am not an activist in any way, but common sense tells us this climate change is not natural, its man made. Rant over!

Petera Wed 03-Nov-21 13:30:39

HannahLoisLuke until we start acknowledging that the population needs to be controlled

This, I'm afraid, as unpalatable as some people will find it.

Almost the only public statement that Johnson has made that I can agree with is that recycling isn't going to make much difference (although we should still do it).

There was a study published in the Environmental Research Letters in 2017. The study found that four choices were consistently high impact in cutting emissions: eating a plant-based diet, living car-free, avoiding flying and having one fewer child. The biggest impact choice of these? Having one fewer child, which would save 58.6 tonnes of carbon per year. The next most effective was living car-free for a year, which would save 2.4 tonnes.

I think the history of the 20th Century makes this a very difficult argument for people to accept.

HannahLoisLuke Wed 03-Nov-21 13:03:44

We can all recycle, cut down waste, travel less, each less meat, use planet friendly cleaning products, insulate our homes, turn off the gas and so on but until we start acknowledging that the population needs to be controlled none of these measures will make much impression.
Why is it never mentioned? It can’t just be because Boris has 6+ and counting, children. The population has been exploding for most of my lifetime and apart from a few environmentalists nobody speaks if it. I know the population has slowed slightly but it’s not enough.

LizzieDrip Wed 03-Nov-21 12:56:54

This is the ‘dawning of the age of hypocrisy’! The elite of the world continuing to wreak havoc on the planet with their gas guzzling travels / life styles whilst telling the rest of us to live like ‘stone age man’! I see Joanna Lumley has jumped on the climate bandwagon - telling ‘ordinary’ people not to travel as much. That’s Lumley of the many, many travel shows!! Talk about ‘do as I say, not as I do’. I agree, we need actions, not idle words from the hypocritical elite. angry Perhaps the Royal Family could give up some of their many dwellings - the upkeep of that many mansions / castles must contribute to the climate emergency, no matter how ‘green’ Charles supposedly is!

HannahLoisLuke Wed 03-Nov-21 12:56:04

Elderlyfirsttimegran

Climate has been happening over thousands of years, from the time fire was mad for the first time!

Yes, over thousands of years, and slowly. Not galloping along in a few decades as it is now.

Elderlyfirsttimegran Wed 03-Nov-21 12:48:01

Climate has been happening over thousands of years, from the time fire was mad for the first time!

JuliaB Wed 03-Nov-21 12:31:43

Greta is right when she says that we are the ones who can push our politicians into making the changes we urgently need. We want action not blah blah blah!

25Avalon Wed 03-Nov-21 12:26:52

I read that another contributor is food waste, particularly in the US. We could all do more about this. The government has decided to concentrate on reducing CO2 emissions which is a political economic decision that ignores other factors.

Wheniwasyourage Tue 02-Nov-21 18:35:03

ElderlyPerson, I assume from your use of the term "murdering" that you are vegetarian or vegan. It is (still) legal to eat meat, and a lot of us do so. While I am aware that eating meat involves the killing of animals, I would prefer to use the word murder for the killing of people.

We are all entitled to our own opinions about diet, and I am happy to respect yours. I hope you are prepared to respect mine.

ElderlyPerson Tue 02-Nov-21 16:49:03

Alegrias1

I saw this EP.

Daily Record again!

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/scotland-now/cop26-heres-what-delegates-eating-25309901

Thank you.

That is a very interesting article.

ElderlyPerson Tue 02-Nov-21 16:41:26

Wheniwasyourage

It doesn't have to be vegan to help the environment, ElderlyPerson! Grass is one of the most important carbon-sink plants and there are large parts of Scotland where crops cannot be grown but grass can, and grazing animals can be reared. Beef and lamb which is grass-fed and locally-grown can be a useful part of a diet, and in the case of COP26, high-quality local meat would not be an environmental disaster at all. It's quite different from meat from intensively-reared, soya-fed animals where the animal welfare standards may not be as high and the feed may be imported.

If those of us who enjoy meat ate less cheap meat, and instead ate high-quality local meat but less often, it would be a win-win.

Murdering them is not animal welfare.

Not win for the animals.

Petera Tue 02-Nov-21 16:20:58

Alegrias1

And if I tell you that the moon is made of green cheese, just because I read it once in a book?

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...and seen in todays' Getalarph: "Nicola Sturgeon personally prevents woman in wheelchair from entering conference"

smile

Wheniwasyourage Tue 02-Nov-21 15:50:42

It doesn't have to be vegan to help the environment, ElderlyPerson! Grass is one of the most important carbon-sink plants and there are large parts of Scotland where crops cannot be grown but grass can, and grazing animals can be reared. Beef and lamb which is grass-fed and locally-grown can be a useful part of a diet, and in the case of COP26, high-quality local meat would not be an environmental disaster at all. It's quite different from meat from intensively-reared, soya-fed animals where the animal welfare standards may not be as high and the feed may be imported.

If those of us who enjoy meat ate less cheap meat, and instead ate high-quality local meat but less often, it would be a win-win.

Alegrias1 Tue 02-Nov-21 15:26:10

I saw this EP.

Daily Record again!

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/scotland-now/cop26-heres-what-delegates-eating-25309901

ElderlyPerson Tue 02-Nov-21 15:18:25

I wonder what food they are all eating?

Plant-based diet, totally vegan, to help the environment?

Has anyone seen anything about the food being eaten there?

Elegran Tue 02-Nov-21 15:02:23

They may be under the impresion that there are only 16,000 Scots in Scotland, and none of them has more than one car? We are always hearing that it is a "small country".

Of course, there are no cars at all in Brigadoon, which is where most of the world thinks all Scots live.

Alegrias1 Tue 02-Nov-21 14:52:12

Actually I think this is important. This is the actual statistic, gleaned from that bastion of truth and honour the Daily Record:

More than 400 private jets carrying world leaders and business executives to Cop26 will blast 13,000 tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere, the Sunday Mail can reveal.

The flights – which will produce more global warming gas than 1600 Scots burn through in a year – have been branded “rank climate hypocrisy” and the “nadir of carbon inequality”.

So for all lovers of GB News, next time you read or see something there, please understand that they might just be making it up or the journalists might be having comprehension problems.

fairfraise Tue 02-Nov-21 14:46:20

grin

Alegrias1 Tue 02-Nov-21 14:43:58

And if I tell you that the moon is made of green cheese, just because I read it once in a book?

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