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COP 26 opens

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ElderlyPerson Mon 01-Nov-21 16:50:04

COP 26 opens

www.youtube.com/watch?v=udO8H_moxsQ&t=1520s

Here is a poem.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=udO8H_moxsQ&t=1790s

followed by The Prime Minister.

Scones Tue 02-Nov-21 10:14:30

"The great and the good" are only taking any action at all as they have been forced to do so as a result of the evidence provided by almost every brilliant mind and institution in science across the entire world.

Please do not let your mistrust or lack of faith in our leaders distract from the urgency and importance of the unfolding crisis.

From the filth in our rives to the catastrophic fires in Australia this is happening now.

I have read on here recently that someone didn't want to hear about another disaster straight after Covid. Feeling queasy about hearing more bad news and burying your head in the sand doesn't mean it's not happening. Not believing the truth doesn't mean that it's not coming to ruin your grandchildren's world.

Also, this isn't something coming next right after Covid - it's been coming at us hard since we were young and we have mostly been busy ignoring it.

Alegrias1 Tue 02-Nov-21 09:52:45

There's always been forest fires. The extent and density of the fires is the proof of Global Warming. No more excuses.

Rinse out your yogurt pots, be all means. I do, it's not a waste of time. We'll not be coerced into buying heart pumps because they are fundamentally unsuited to our house and make minimal difference to the actual carbon footprint of the country.

A bigger focus on renewable energy, changing the infrastructure to support electric vehicles, plans for how we'll deal with the huge numbers of climate refugees that will be caused when the low-lying or hot countries become uninhabitable. That's what we need. Unfortunately I didn't get invited to COP wink

Urmstongran Tue 02-Nov-21 09:42:38

We do have to bear in mind though that some of these disasters are not through global warming. Many of the forest fires in Spain this summer was the result of arsonists - it was reported about in their newspapers. The same thing happened in California apparently. We do need in my opinion to keep a sense of perspective whilst rinsing out our yoghurt pots. What else can we do? Those on high will doubtless coerce us into buying heat pumps, eating less meat, making us pay bigger bills. Mind you most of this won’t faze the well off. I know this is true.

Alegrias1 Tue 02-Nov-21 09:05:51

Urmstongran

Wasn’t midnight supposed to be the apocalypse Alegrias? In which case if it’s ten past we are dust.

Yep.

People have been saying for 40 years that we don't have the evidence yet, and its not urgent, and so nothing adequate has been done. So now we're past the tipping point.

What we need is radical infrastructure change, not schemes to recycle yogurt pots. We can still limit the temperature change, but not enough to prevent the disasters we're already seeing round the globe. What they need to be talking about as well is the mitigation strategies we need.

Urmstongran Tue 02-Nov-21 08:52:48

Wasn’t midnight supposed to be the apocalypse Alegrias? In which case if it’s ten past we are dust.

lemongrove Tue 02-Nov-21 08:43:38

Josianne

vegansrock

Are the world leaders really up to the task? Or is it all a blah blah blah exercise?

No they're not up to the task because most of them have exceeded their shelf-life and not just because they are elderly. They just keep churning out the same old platitudes.

I fear that you are correct Josianne

Granny23 Tue 02-Nov-21 08:12:42

Marks out of ten

Attenborough = 10
Johnson = 0

Alegrias1 Tue 02-Nov-21 08:09:24

I think that recycling and the odd flight to Spain aren't what we need to be talking about here. Any more than complaining about the elite flying here and there. The end is not nigh, it's right here, now. Johnson was wrong with his "one minute to midnight" speech. I'd say it was about ten past.

Josianne Tue 02-Nov-21 07:54:42

vegansrock

Are the world leaders really up to the task? Or is it all a blah blah blah exercise?

No they're not up to the task because most of them have exceeded their shelf-life and not just because they are elderly. They just keep churning out the same old platitudes.

vegansrock Tue 02-Nov-21 07:30:26

Are the world leaders really up to the task? Or is it all a blah blah blah exercise?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 02-Nov-21 07:19:12

Ah! so it is the so called elite that you are mad at, and are pushing back at?

Urmstongran Tue 02-Nov-21 07:01:04

Not a denier WWmk2 but sceptical about the urgency and the timescale. ‘The End is Nigh’. Hmm. We do our bit re plastics, recycling etc (who doesn’t these days?), we don’t drive a gas guzzler, yes flights to Spain but once there no car so we walk or use public transport for half the year. It sickens me to see the great and good arriving in Glasgow - the very worst of offenders - telling us how we should be doing things. Such hypocrites. Think for example of the carbon footprint made carting Formula 1 circus all around the world! No, I do my bit but I’m not panicking. And yes I love my grandchildren.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 02-Nov-21 06:30:49

“So far the PM has made a speech about James Bond, done a car crash interview about cutting tax on domestic flights and new coal, fallen asleep, and announced he’s flying back to London tomorrow.”

Whitewavemark2 Tue 02-Nov-21 06:28:18

Urmstongran

And yet I hear the Great Barrier Reef coral blooms have been enormous the past 5 years, despite all that wailing about acidic water from Attenborough years ago.

So a climate denier?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 02-Nov-21 06:27:30

What a b….d he is - sitting next to a nonagenarian and one of the UKs most respected men, and the idiot cannot show enough respect to wear a mask.

What a pathetic individual he is.

Scones Mon 01-Nov-21 22:10:54

Can you share your source with us please Urmstongran

Urmstongran Mon 01-Nov-21 21:54:46

And yet I hear the Great Barrier Reef coral blooms have been enormous the past 5 years, despite all that wailing about acidic water from Attenborough years ago.

Scones Mon 01-Nov-21 21:51:17

That's right Urmstongran, but the rapid warming we’re seeing now can't be explained by natural cycles of warming and cooling. The kind of changes that would normally happen over hundreds of thousands of years are happening in decades.

Urmstongran Mon 01-Nov-21 21:40:55

Natural climate change takes place over thousands of years-not one or two centuries.

Scones Mon 01-Nov-21 21:33:39

Here's what The Queen said

'This is a duty I am especially happy to discharge, as the impact of the environment on human progress was a subject close to the heart of my dear late husband, Prince Philip, The Duke of Edinburgh.

'I remember well that in 1969, he told an academic gathering: ''If the world pollution situation is not critical at the moment, it is as certain as anything can be, that the situation will become increasingly intolerable within a very short time … If we fail to cope with this challenge, all the other problems will pale into insignificance.''

Scones Mon 01-Nov-21 21:29:09

Her majesty isn't calling it hysteria. Here's a bit on Prince Charles and how he is reducing his carbon footprint as part of his long commitment to the environment. Biomass boilers, wind turbines, electric cars, solar panels...and more.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58847456

Kali2 Mon 01-Nov-21 21:22:10

Climate hysteria - wow. I do wonder, do you have grand-children?

Urmstongran Mon 01-Nov-21 21:16:45

China laughing at climate hysteria in the West.
I’m a huge fan of HM. But I’m uneasy about the RF involvement.

Perhaps if Prince Charles was seen cycling around on an e-bike occasionally that would be better PR than talking of a ‘war footing’. As they all fly home (again).

ElderlyPerson Mon 01-Nov-21 21:15:16

Here is a LINK to the speech by The Prime Minister.

Kali2 Mon 01-Nov-21 21:06:39

He arrived 30 minutes late- making all the world leaders wait for him. Unbelievable!