COP 26 opens

At least he didn't think he was in Ireland...

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/barack-obama-in-emerald-isles-gaffe-during-cop26-speech-in-glasgow/ar-AAQsHFk?ocid=uxbndlbing

MayBee70

It seems that, in the news conference about COP26 yesterday Johnson referred to Glasgow as Edinburgh. I missed that as my brain fogs over when he talks, especially when he’s trying to avoid answering a question (which is most of the time….).

Mind you to be fair Johnson was only in Glasgow for about an hour for the biggest crises ever facing mankind, so it would be easy for him to forget.

The Tories in general seem to have very poor geographical knowledge of the country they are governing.

Raab didn’t seem to realise that we even an island at one point!
And there have been a number of MPs who never seem to know where they are or where they have been.

We have just had a formation of military helicopters flying over our home, in the direction of Prestwick Airport.
Someone very important must have been going home!

It seems that, in the news conference about COP26 yesterday Johnson referred to Glasgow as Edinburgh. I missed that as my brain fogs over when he talks, especially when he’s trying to avoid answering a question (which is most of the time….).

What the agreement means in simple language

Well MY government didn't get a seat at the table despite having already cut emissions by 50% and powering 97% of our electricity needs by renewables.
Of course Bojo was very vocal about not wanting Nicola Sturgeon anywhere near the COP26 event and only Union flags to be flown .Sadly(ha ha ha) he didn't get his way ,Nicola may not have been at the top table but she met just about everyone of importance one to one or in small groups .Made pledges about support for nations already dealing with climate change and about a fair and just transition from fossil fuels....shame there's no back up from WM.
Delegates from around the world, including the two who stayed with us, loved Glasgow thought everyone was welcoming and many have said they will be back .It may have been a failure in some eyes but it was great PR for my home city .Could Bojo just have been worried about getting shown up by the FM ?

How can we put pressure on countries eg India, Australia, Canada etc when we’re desperate to do trade deals with them?

They were " unable to predict the precise outcomes from models." of Covid progression. That was because what they feed into models to produce a forecast are -

1) Known facts from the past.
2) A selection of possible/probable reactions from human beings which will affect those facts in the future.

Whether what they get out is an accurate prediction depends on how many known facts they can feed in and which of the possible reactions to the warnings human beings choose to take.

With Covid, facts 1) were thin on the ground. Nevertheless, there were various predictions of how the pandemic would develop 2) depending on how seriously the threat was taken and what both the authorities and Joe Bloggs, the man in the street, did about it Governments acted on the warnings, though not evenly or efficiently. The men (and women) in the street were shocked and most moderated their habits. So between 1) and 2) the most disastrous predictions have not happened. So far.

With climate change, there is 1) a vast amount of data acuumulated over thousands of years of written evidence and millions more embedded in rocks and deep soil samples. 2) There have been predictions over decades of what would happen if nothing changed. Governments went their merry way, and Joe Bloggs and his wife mostly assumed, and still assume, that it was all something vague and scientific and wouldn't make any difference in their lifetime. The current position is that the predictions still stand and are becoming more urgent.

That is the difference between CoVid models and climate change models.

True, but I can only vote for my government.

I can vote for 2 Used to be 3...( sigh )

But I know what you mean. I didn't expect much either, but I am very disappointed. Not surprised though.

Alegrias1

To be fair WWM2, none of them do.

It's a cop out, if you excuse the pun.

True, but I can only vote for my government.

Frankly I didn’t expect much, so I’m not disappointed.

To be fair WWM2, none of them do.

It's a cop out, if you excuse the pun.

Well one thing we have learned as a result of COP.

Our government has no policy that will tackle the crises in any meaningful way whatsoever.

25Avalon

Predictions as to what will happen in the future are models. Reports say could happen not will happen. Science is not precise, and relies on generalisations. This is why Einstein turned the scientific world on it’s head and no doubt it will be turned again. Scientists know covid exists but have been unable to predict the precise outcomes from models.

Or to summarise your argument "we have made mistakes in the past, so this must be a mistake"

Oh dear.

Thanks 25Avalon. My PhD in Physics and several years experience in data modelling are obviously no match for you telling me all about Einstein.

Sorry!

katy1950

I don't buy it this feels like the banner waving end of the world is near guys that stand outside of race meetings for at least 30 years

If you have the Smithsonian Chanel watch last nights program:
Cities under the sea.
If you think this is a load of bollocks why do you think a lot of very clever people are designing Dams to go across The Straights of Gibraltar and where the Golden Gate Bridge is?
People designing floating cities.
I hope your great great grandchildren never buy a property in Norfolk or Suffolk because both countries will be gone.

Predictions as to what will happen in the future are models. Reports say could happen not will happen. Science is not precise, and relies on generalisations. This is why Einstein turned the scientific world on it’s head and no doubt it will be turned again. Scientists know covid exists but have been unable to predict the precise outcomes from models.

25Avalon

Katy1950 take a look at desmog.com on Global Warming Policy Foundation. I think you will appreciate the articles as will any one else with an open view on climate change. The scientific models were wrong on Covid so why not on climate change predictions, as models and predictions are all they are too.

Are you seriously saying that models of the behaviour of a novel and previously unknown virus can be compared with at least 40 years work on known metrological phenomena? That is the least convincing argument against anthropomorphic climate change I've ever heard.

They're not models any more, they are forest fires, flooding and melting ice shelves. Oh and outgassing peat bogs, extinctions and areas of the world becoming uninhabitable.

So far real life is going much according to the predictions, which is more than could be said of the armageddon predictors - but maybe they are right too, perhaps many many species will become extinct when living conditions are intolerable, including humans?

The fastest climb in the known history of global temperatures has been since human beings gained control of factory methods of making things, which gave them the ability to multiply their population far faster than they had before, and caused them to use vast amouints of fuel and so produce vast amounts of Co2 and other greenhouse gases.
The graph is at grist.org/article/global-warming-is-nothing-new/

The end of the wotld guys didn't bother with any cissy things like research. They just predicted the most awful thing they could think of if people didn't listen and mend their ways.

The current climate change predictions are based on thousands of years of records and many years of research and have been warning for a long time that there will come a tipping point if people don't listen and mend their ways. Looks like they were right. Oops!

Katy1950 take a look at desmog.com on Global Warming Policy Foundation. I think you will appreciate the articles as will any one else with an open view on climate change. The scientific models were wrong on Covid so why not on climate change predictions, as models and predictions are all they are too.

katy1950

I don't buy it this feels like the banner waving end of the world is near guys that stand outside of race meetings for at least 30 years

I think that's the point....

30 years plus to get anyone to listen.

I suggest you watch last night’s Panorama Katy1950, that may open your eyes to the reality of the situation worldwide.

I don't buy it this feels like the banner waving end of the world is near guys that stand outside of race meetings for at least 30 years

Since I’ve stopped wearing a mask my dry cough which I had for ages has gone.
My mother was seen in A&E due to an exacerbation of COPD which was likely caused by wearing a mask according to the A&E consultant.
Maybe it’s time for us all to give up the mask wearing.

Why do people allow themselves to be sidetracked from the main issues? Who cares who came late or wore a mask, if we don't do something about climate change fast we will be looking back at lockdown, running out of loo-rolls, and queuing for petrol as the good old days. Please can we all just look at what each of us can do to make industry (who are the ones who will ultimately drive the lowering of emissions and clean up of polluting practices) drop bad practices and instead re-design their sectors to be carbon neutral or carbon negative. We make our voices heard every time we buy something, or refuse to buy something. Check out the companies who embrace the circular economy before you spend another penny.