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Sycamore Gap

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MiniMoon Thu 28-Sept-23 12:14:49

During the night some idiot has seen fit to fell one of the most iconic trees in Britain. The beautiful sycamore on Hadrians wall was featured in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.
Why would anyone do such a thing, it's just wanton destruction.
I live close by and am so sad.

suelld Sat 30-Sept-23 19:31:56

Why oh WHY. Is all I can say…madness!

Kathmaggie Sat 30-Sept-23 19:07:14

Some very sick sad individuals who crave their moment of infamy maybe??

Callistemon21 Sat 30-Sept-23 17:39:22

Yes, I mentioned making items from the wood earlier
Sycamore is very good for carving and making spoons etc - love spoons?

BlueBelle Sat 30-Sept-23 17:36:38

I was also thinking about a seat made from the wood

Yes it’s amazing there is only the one as sycamore is notorious for easy quick growing I have to pull hundreds out my garden every year as there is a big one opposite my house

Katie59 Sat 30-Sept-23 17:12:12

You have to have a licence to fell any tree above a certain size, so it was definitely a crime, the penalty for the farmer will come through his Farm Payments.

Breaking environmental rules can loose you your whole years payment

MaizieD Sat 30-Sept-23 17:02:51

MayBee70

There’s 73 miles of Hadrians Wall. Are you thinking the sycamore might have caused some kind of domino effect?

It was very close to the Wall itself.. The roots of a tree that large extend a long distance and could well have been affecting the Wall. However, no-one has expressed any concern about that so I assume that the National Trust must have thought it OK.

I'm surprised that there aren't any of its offspring in the vicinity. I pull up or mow down thousands of sycamore seedlings every spring.

The stump will regrow a thicket of shoots, that's what sycamores do. It would be most unattractive and unphotogenic. It will never be a single stemmed tree again. I'd have it dug out completely and replaced. But it's not my garden ..

The tree could easily be replaced with a well grown specimen, though I don't know how good the growing conditions are in that particular exposed spot. It might take a very long time to achieve the old tree's dimensions.

But replacing it could well affect the Wall, which must surely have all sorts of protections on it as an ancient monument. It could be a dilemma.

The National Trust could make a mint selling artefacts made from its wood to tourists.... There would probably be enough to make a commemorative bench, or similar, to put by the Gap...

farview Sat 30-Sept-23 16:35:57

So sad..😪

ExaltedWombat Sat 30-Sept-23 16:25:19

Hardly iconic. It was seen in a film. That's all.

Pity to cut any tree down for no good reason of course.

Mojack26 Sat 30-Sept-23 14:11:19

Pure vandalism! Beautiful iconic living thing!😭. My question is why? Why would you think this was ever ok?? Hope they throw the book at them!😠😠😠🤬

lixy Sat 30-Sept-23 14:06:40

CoolCoco

Numerous ancient trees have been destroyed in the name of HS2 - legal vandalism. It’s all sickening. When will we respect the natural world?

This, absolutely this.

One person's vandalism is not Ok but when the government does it for the sake of 'progress' that's fine?
I know it's not so on GN but the actions of the powers that be speak volumes about their attitude to the world around us.

Treetops05 Sat 30-Sept-23 13:58:56

Tree vandalism seems to be relatively common, a few years ago it was the Glastonbury Thorn...Such a shame people can only think of their own twisted pleasure and the harm they can do in life angry

missdeke Sat 30-Sept-23 13:55:24

Lomo123

Read on another forum a local said that the landowner was a "grump" who was fed up of tourists going there!!.

The Landowner has stated that he did not give permission for the tree to be cut down, according to BBC News.

MayBee70 Sat 30-Sept-23 13:31:00

There’s 73 miles of Hadrians Wall. Are you thinking the sycamore might have caused some kind of domino effect?

grandtanteJE65 Sat 30-Sept-23 13:15:57

The photo was a little hard to judge, but to me it looked as if the tree was compromising Hadrian's Wall, which is rather more important than the tree.

That said, it should have been left to the proper authorities to judge if the tree should be felled and to do so if they decided it was necessary.

Vandalism has always happened and there seems to be no real way of combatting it legally, so we are back to a change in people's attitudes being needed.

SillyNanny321 Sat 30-Sept-23 11:52:50

Seems the thing to do now! Have a grudge against something then plot how to get rid of it! The owner of the property next door to me has hated my Twisted Willow tree for 14 years! Told one of his tenants he wanted it gone! Decided it had cracked his very low almost not there wall! So threatened Court action till we had to have a perfectly healthy tree killed! Despite the fact that for 6-7 years a dead rotting car had been slammed against the small wall! No proof so this vindictive man won! So there are two vindictive people at least loose in the world! 2 trees that should be standing strong are now gone! Nasty world we live in now!

Grandma2002 Sat 30-Sept-23 11:49:30

Something died in me when I saw and heard what had been done to this beautiful tree. The tears definitely fell when I saw the fresh, healthy inside of the felled tree. I just would not know what to say to the mindless wretches that did this.

Callistemon21 Sat 30-Sept-23 11:41:22

Grammaretto

That could be an explanation, couldn't it.
A grumpy landowner.
What do they say about it?
If it's the NT, that's different.
It's not spontaneous, very much planned.
15 minutes of fame?

15 minutes of fame?
Except that the 16 year old cannot be named for legal reasons.

Others who might be involved who are over 18 can be.

Unless, of course, the youth boasts about it on Tik Tok, Twitter.

JdotJ Sat 30-Sept-23 11:13:47

GrannyGravy13

I was totally gobsmacked when I saw this, if and when these criminals are caught I hope they get the proverbial book thrown at them 🤬🤬🤬

I hope they get their legs chopped off .....see how they like it!

MayBee70 Fri 29-Sept-23 23:07:33

MayBee70

Somebody told me that local farmers were getting fed up of people leaving gates open and leaving litter everywhere.

I was also told that something to that effect was put on Wikipedia soon after it happened but it was removed very quickly.

merlotgran Fri 29-Sept-23 22:58:19

The National Trust owns the land. If it were privately owned there would probably have been a tree preservation order in place.

Clearly somebody with an axe to grind. No pun intended.

Grammaretto Fri 29-Sept-23 22:50:11

That could be an explanation, couldn't it.
A grumpy landowner.
What do they say about it?
If it's the NT, that's different.
It's not spontaneous, very much planned.
15 minutes of fame?

Callistemon21 Fri 29-Sept-23 22:35:30

Lomo123

Read on another forum a local said that the landowner was a "grump" who was fed up of tourists going there!!.

I thought the National Trust owns the land where the tree was situated?

BlueBelle Fri 29-Sept-23 22:33:47

More like a kid and grandad if he’s in his 60 s or maybe he just gave a lad some pocket money to help him

But I knew categorically it wasn’t a 16 year old lad by himself
I always thought it would be the landowner be interesting to see if it is

Grammaretto Fri 29-Sept-23 22:30:24

Is this something that weird people on social media think is triumphant?
Like people who count the number of countries they have been to, mountains they've climbed, sexual conquests?........
Whatever?
I am struggling with the reasoning.

Galaxy Fri 29-Sept-23 21:38:14

If its dad and son ( I am guessing here) then what chance did the 16 year old have.