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Environmental concerns and the move towards Heat Pumps

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Aely Thu 27-Feb-25 20:41:31

Barleyfields, in your response, you described my property. Small terraced house. I don't know where we could put the actual Air Pump. Our houses are back to front, compared to the normal way of building. Our livingroom is at the back. The width of the (sort of) solid wall, not a door or glass, is 2' on either side of the window, that window being clear at the top and clouded below to ground level. It is end of terrace but the outside wall is the boundary. The pump cannot go on next-doors land. Theoretically the pump could, perhaps, go under the kitchen window at the front but it faces north, is also shaded to the West and in the Winter the ground is sometimes frozen solid for days at a time as it sees any sun for only a few minutes in the early morning. No heat pump works well below freezing.

And as for the associated gubbins that goes inside the house, double sized radiators, huge water tank and so on - no way is there room. Can't do underfloor heating, either. The house sits on a concrete "raft" (built on sand and clay).

pascal30 Thu 27-Feb-25 20:39:38

I replaced my old boiler with a modern one and it is super efficient.. Living in a terraced victorian house with a small garden it is the only option really

woodenspoon Thu 27-Feb-25 20:34:26

This worries me slightly as we’ve just had a replacement gas boiler this year which im hoping will see us out! Let’s hope we are not forced into a heat pump.

lixy Thu 27-Feb-25 20:23:22

We had been considering this, but then there was an explosion locally linked to a borehole drilled for a heat pump tapping into a pocket of gas underground so have rather gone off the idea!
I think we’ll be looking harder at solar panels contributing to an immersion heater.

Churchview Thu 27-Feb-25 20:19:27

Oh, and it was a small garden so everywhere was a prominent position. I think in smaller houses where they are hugger mugger it would be a real problem.

Churchview Thu 27-Feb-25 20:18:38

Barleyfields ours was huge. I've been trying to find garden pictures to post but can't find any with it in. I must have angled my camera to avoid the monstrosity. Plants were scorched by the draught from it.

It was in 2013 so perhaps they've got better and smaller since my experience.

keepingquiet Thu 27-Feb-25 20:16:08

I thought about it but recently had a new gas boiler installed... it was much cheaper and is more efficient than the old one.

Barleyfields Thu 27-Feb-25 19:58:54

Our heat pump isn’t anything like the size of a sideboard and it doesn’t make a lot of noise. They are ugly things but ours is in a place where we can screen it with shrubs, which have grown very well. I really wouldn’t want one in a prominent position.

Ours was made by Mitsubishi - I haven’t heard of Tesla making them! This is purely down to the wretched Milliband.

Churchview Thu 27-Feb-25 19:48:50

We had a heatpump in a house we rented and were unable to use it as it was so noisy and placed right outside our bedroom window. It was also the size of a sideboard in a tiny garden and made such a draught that you couldn't grow plants in front of it.

The headlines yesterday were really galling with an article calling for homes to install heat pumps placed right alongside the news that BP are dropping green initiatives because of shareholder pressure to make greater profits.

Doodledog Thu 27-Feb-25 19:48:30

We will need to change our boiler sooner rather than later. It is 25 years old, and although it's working well just now, it won't live forever. The plan is to hang on for as long as we can, and see what the situation is when we take the plunge. Maybe something new will have been developed? If not, we'll get a gas one, as we've recently decorated throughout and renovated some rooms, so I am very reluctant to do anything that involves mess. I'm hoping for a simple replacement.

Homestead62 Thu 27-Feb-25 19:47:09

I will not be having a Heat Pump, they are no use in Scotland as it gets so cold here and the size of them and the noise! I have good relationships with my neighbours and want to keep it that way. Why are they being forced upon us, when our own Houses of Parliament refused them? Due to the noise I may add. Someone is getting very rich and my guess is Elon Musk because if the Heat Pump is made by Tesla, it's his company.

dogsmother Thu 27-Feb-25 19:14:24

My son has one with his home renovation and it is making massive savings. It is however not for small properties as it needs a bit of space and can be noisier than I’d expected.

tanith Thu 27-Feb-25 18:52:22

My sister had it installed with a government grant and a year on her house is still in a mess there was so much upheaval with the whole place neede redecoration which her son and her are trying to do slowly. I dont think id want to tackle it myself.

Barleyfields Thu 27-Feb-25 17:51:32

We have a heat pump which was installed, with underfloor heating, when the house was built. We are pleased with it. However, you can’t just stick one on an outside wall of just any property and connect it to an existing radiator system. Larger pipes and radiators may well be needed and that means a huge amount of upheaval. And of course the National Grid has to be able to cope with the extra demand.

Not only that, but I have no idea where heat pumps would be placed on some properties, for instance small terraced houses with just a back yard. They might not be permitted at all on some listed buildings.

The government isn’t remotely interested in whether people can afford to have a heat pump installed and pay for all the consequent making good, even with a grant. Milliband is just on a headlong rush to achieve net zero, come what may. It’s a disaster, just like the penalties imposed on car manufacturers if they don’t produce a given number of EVs each year, and having to stop selling new petrol and diesel cars in 2030. I despair.

Aely Thu 27-Feb-25 17:26:01

What do you think of this? Would you consider changing from your gas boiler? I am very concerned about the environment so I have been looking into it. I would perhaps go for Solar panels on the roof to start with, but this is a cheapjack '70s former Council build and I doubt the roof is strong enough - plus it would not have room for more than 4 or 5 panels at best.

But, whatever the Government wants us to do, I can't see how a heat pumps would work either for a lot of properties, including this one. The initial cost is horrendous and the savings once installed are miniscule, hardly a viable proposition for people already struggling to pay to heat their homes and generally keep their heads above water financially, even if their home could take one.