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We shouldn't eat honey!

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Chestnut Tue 31-Mar-26 15:43:04

Well I never knew this, but eating honey actually harms the eco system.

Google confirms it:
"Consuming honey, particularly commercially produced honey, can contribute to the decline of wild bee populations, largely because the honey industry drives a high demand for managed honey bees (Apis mellifera), which directly compete with wild, native bees for resources. While many people keep bees to "save the bees," conservation scientists argue that this often harms biodiversity because honey bees are agricultural livestock, not endangered wildlife."

There are over 270 species of bee in the UK and 24 types of bumble bee and they are endangered. So anyone who loves wild bees should try to save them rather than eating commercially produced honey.

Just to add, there is a programme on BBC iPlayer called 'My Garden of a Thousand Bees' which is absolutely amazing and deserves an award. Start watching and you won't be able to stop.

valdavi Wed 01-Apr-26 16:05:19

I have honey bees on the flowers all year round, but the thing they love most is the cordyline flowers (those huge, rather ugly cream sprays).

I don't know where they come from but would think they are hive bees rather than wild bees.

FranP Wed 01-Apr-26 15:56:56

What is causing the problem in the South East, is the decimation of the hedgerows by massive housing developments. I guess that is not a problem in China.

I grow a garden full of snowdrops and crocus to help the early bees. Although we have local hives, mine and white bottomed bumble bees. Last year, they were out before many of the flowers, so I put tepid sugar water out - yes not great but it does keep them alive. They love my daffodils too and will come back for the bluebells, even though by then only the young are not too fat to get in, but I have other flowers for them. Now the honey bees are all over the plum and apple blossom, but I will not see them until next year.

mokryna Wed 01-Apr-26 15:52:45

I don’t eat it because after allergy tests on the skin it was found, surprisingly, I am allergic to honey. It is so rare it cannot be tested through the blood, as such a test does not exist.

MibsXX Wed 01-Apr-26 15:51:41

yeah but now there are far too many humans.....

MrsMatt Wed 01-Apr-26 15:49:21

Maremia

Honey has been consumed by humans for millennia.

But we haven't been using pesticides that kill bees for millennia.

silverlining48 Wed 01-Apr-26 15:36:41

Ah, thanks VV. I am sure I knew that once upon a long time ago.

Allira Wed 01-Apr-26 15:35:22

Autocorrect is going berserk today.

(It just changed berserk to Western 😀)

ViceVersa Wed 01-Apr-26 15:34:49

silverlining48

When my grandchildren were babies/ young they weren’t allowed to have honey. I was never sure why.

You're not supposed to give honey to babies under the age of one because there is a risk of infant botulism.

Allira Wed 01-Apr-26 15:34:31

Not part friendly!!

Bee-friendly

Allira Wed 01-Apr-26 15:33:48

suelld

And if imported from New Zealand where the country is fast and the bees not particularly endangered?

Unfortunately New Zealand bee populations are endangered due to several factors, one being the Varroa mite which has almost completely eliminated feral bees. Honeybees are almost entirely dependent on bee keepers.
I haven't seen much New Zealand honey on the shelves in the UK for some time.

It's not a vast country, although it is far less densely populated than the UK. People are being encouraged to plant more pet-friendly flowers.

Sueinkent Wed 01-Apr-26 15:32:59

Oh and stop cutting down trees to accomodate huge data centres. Planting trees is the solution to climate change.

silverlining48 Wed 01-Apr-26 15:31:44

When my grandchildren were babies/ young they weren’t allowed to have honey. I was never sure why.

Sueinkent Wed 01-Apr-26 15:31:35

I will stop eating honey when google stops consuming massive amounts of energy.

Tanjamaltija Wed 01-Apr-26 15:31:29

This is too absolute and alarmist. Why don't we plant more flowers / flowering trees and shrubs? And herbs like thyme, borage, lavender, clover and wild fennel? The most effective actions are simple, cheap, and science-backed. If you want the biggest impact with minimal effort:
Plant native flowering plants;
Don’t use pesticides;
Let part of your space grow naturally... do not remove dandelions etc.

Robin202 Wed 01-Apr-26 15:26:36

I only buy locally produced honey to have with my wild foraged teas. Nettle is an excellent source of nutrients, add a few Cleavers and Dandelion - even better.

Chestnut Wed 01-Apr-26 15:25:36

suelld

And if imported from New Zealand where the country is fast and the bees not particularly endangered?

Bees native to New Zealand still need help. I found this:
While keeping honey bees is relatively easy, they’re not native to New Zealand - meaning that they’re in direct competition with our native bee species. None of the 28 species of bees native to the island produce honey, rendering them less profitable than the farmed honey bee, but they remain vital to New Zealand’s ecosystem. As many as 224 plant species depend on native bee species to pollinate them, but they can be disrupted by the more social and aggressive honey bee.

Gwyllt Wed 01-Apr-26 15:20:15

Used to keep a small number of hives We now only have one hive and that was one that a wild swarm decided to move into. Occasionally we might take honey from a single frame. Even so the hive can become really light at the end of winter and in which case we will feed them. After all they are good pollinators

Cossy Wed 01-Apr-26 15:02:05

Borfmum

We have one hive in our garden and consume the honey made by our own bee's. We support other pollinators by keeping our garden as natural as we possibly can. We don't mow the grass and encourage wild flowers rather than planting hybrids. We have bee hotels and keep small piles of rotting wood for all manner of small creatures.

Sounds wonderful

Cossy Wed 01-Apr-26 15:01:34

vegansrock

Maple syrup is a good substitute for honey in lots of recipes.

Love both!

Amandajs66 Wed 01-Apr-26 14:57:27

For this reason I haven't eaten honey for many years. Instead I make dandelion "honey"
My Granddaughter always asks for Nanas special honey. smile

Borfmum Wed 01-Apr-26 14:52:33

We have one hive in our garden and consume the honey made by our own bee's. We support other pollinators by keeping our garden as natural as we possibly can. We don't mow the grass and encourage wild flowers rather than planting hybrids. We have bee hotels and keep small piles of rotting wood for all manner of small creatures.

suelld Wed 01-Apr-26 14:45:51

VAST not fast!

suelld Wed 01-Apr-26 14:45:23

And if imported from New Zealand where the country is fast and the bees not particularly endangered?

Chestnut Wed 01-Apr-26 11:23:00

mum2three

Piffle! Destroying the countryside is what is harming the eco system. Schools need to teach about how nature works. I don't think this government understands how vital plants and trees are. Honey was used before we discovered sugar, it's a perfectly natural food.

You can still help the endangered native bees even if you eat honey.

Honey is harvested the same way silk is harvested from silkworms, using the insects as workers. So it's a natural food but farmed just like all our food, and that always has implications for the natural world.

Maremia Wed 01-Apr-26 11:17:23

But yes, it has to be the proper types of organic honey mentioned in a few posts upthread.