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janeainsworth Thu 18-Jun-15 00:11:09

Dear GNHQ,
Over the last few months I have become increasingly irritated by your inappropriate use of question marks in the Discussions of the day box at the right hand side of the Forums page.

Today's box looks like this:

DH's - the things they shouldn't do?
Lipsticks - got a go-to shade?
Public loo's - the art of using them?

Two of these question marks are quite unnecessary, and make the whole thing look silly.
To add insult to injury, you may notice that there are now two inappropriate apostrophes as well.

I realise that you are all a lot younger than us and perhaps have not been so well educated in grammar and punctuation as we oldies.
I realise too that there will be some Gransnetters who are quite happy to 'go with the flow' and think that I am being unnecessarily pedantic and should get over myself.

But please could we have a return to GN's former standards.

Disgruntled of Newcastle.

AshTree Fri 19-Jun-15 08:25:39

My thoughts entirely about the need for two apostrophes in DH or none at all. I think everyone would agree it would look ridiculous with two. Consider longer acronyms too - for example, G'N'H'Q' hmm grin.

There is a similar debate regarding decades: 90s or 90's? I cannot for the life of me see what the apostrophe is for and yet it is the example without the apostrophe that spell check has underlined. If anything, there should be one at the beginning, to indicate omission of '19'. For my money it should be '90s, but again, spell check disagrees with me. (Though I do realise that spell check is probably American and can therefore be disregarded grin)

Coolgran65 Fri 19-Jun-15 01:34:59

Some things bother me and some don't. Question marks are ok.
But a misplaced apostrophe screams at me.

I went to Secondary School followed by a 2 year Secretarial Course.
No A levels for me.....family could not afford the cost of Grammar School requisites. At Secondary S edchool I did do a great deal of typing (on an old Imperial machine that went ding at the end of each line) which was to a very high level with distinction accuracy grades. Also shorthand to 130 words per minute.

Perhaps the use of correct punctuation has gone the way of shorthand. I consider poor punctuation to be sloppy.

My formal education did not go to Third Level but many years of constructing a good letter obo my employer has stood me in good stead.

Elegran Thu 18-Jun-15 20:54:05

If you use an apostrophe there, you need one in DH. Two even.

Elegran Thu 18-Jun-15 20:53:18

I wouldn't use an apostrophe there.

merlotgran Thu 18-Jun-15 20:50:57

Me too. My eyes are drawn to them immediately.

Ana Thu 18-Jun-15 20:40:07

It doesn't look better to me - it looks awful!
And it may be sad that I do give a flying flip, but that's just me...smile

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 18-Jun-15 20:26:20

Oh, who gives a flying flip anyway! hmm

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 18-Jun-15 20:24:57

Yes. But it just seems to be more natural to put an apostrophe in. Not for the usual missing letter reason, but because it looks better.

Mishap Thu 18-Jun-15 20:21:30

Yes - I get that - but some people disagree, as in my editor!

Elegran Thu 18-Jun-15 20:20:03

But a lot of letters are missing already in DH - ear and usband - and there are no apostrophes in that. The plural of one DH is two (or more) DHs just as the plural of dear husband is dear husbands.

Mishap Thu 18-Jun-15 20:11:29

The apostrophe in plurals of such things as DH is a debatable issue, as there is a school of thought that regards the apostrophe as indicating that some letters are missing. I used to work on a magazine and the editor insisted that it should be there.

Stansgran Thu 18-Jun-15 19:40:48

www.bristol.ac.uk/arts/exercises/grammar/grammar_tutorial/page_41.htm

Stansgran Thu 18-Jun-15 19:38:08

There is quite a good online course on grammar from Bristol university I think?

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 18-Jun-15 18:52:48

#feelinghuffy

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 18-Jun-15 18:52:19

I will consider my wrist well and truly slapped. hmm

Ana Thu 18-Jun-15 17:48:26

Well, I would, but if I click on Contact us it says 'the default mail client is not properly installed'...confused

LaraGransnet (GNHQ) Thu 18-Jun-15 17:15:50

Thanks Ana grin We can be cunning occasionally. Or is that with two s's - paranoid now...
We don't mind the thread at all - valid points. Though if anyone wants to email us on contactus if you spot anything that's fine too.

Soutra Thu 18-Jun-15 16:37:37

What's an anonym?? Something you don't want anybody to know the name of?

Ana Thu 18-Jun-15 15:30:10

I see GNHQ have cunningly got round the plural DH problem...grin

Anya Thu 18-Jun-15 13:15:22

grin

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 18-Jun-15 13:08:36

It's quite hard to pluralise an anonym.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 18-Jun-15 13:06:33

Oh! I hadn't noticed Lara reply. Which I consider to be unnecessary apologising.

jinglbellsfrocks Thu 18-Jun-15 13:05:18

Oh that's mean! Nothing wrong with the question marks. The apostrophe in the 'DH's' could be debatable. Perhaps DHs would not look right. You don't have to stick to rules all the time.

janeainsworth Thu 18-Jun-15 12:51:26

Thank you for all the replies.
Interestingly, one of the adverts that popped up when I opened this page was entitled 'Get the skills you need to get that job' smile
I think the shows that proper use of language is still important in both creating an image, and conveying a meaning.
I realise that language evolves, new phrases become fashionable, and certain words 'date' the user, but some things are set in stone, and the correct use of apostrophes to me is one of those things.
Perhaps the use of question marks when a question isn't actually being asked, reflects the tendency of some younger people (when speaking) to end their sentences on a higher note, as if they are asking a question, even though they are making a statement.

It never occurred to me to complain via private email to GNHQ, partly because I have no idea who actually compiles the Discussions of the Day box, and in any case it was not a personal complaint, so I saw no need for confidentiality.
It was more a comment on the appearance of the Gransnet Forums page, and I suspected that others might feel as I do. I realised too that others would disagree, and starting an open discussion rather than a private complaint would give both sides an opportunity to make their points.
smile

Ceesnan Thu 18-Jun-15 12:16:53

Personally I would prefer to be corrected privately, not in front of others. However, as I've said, this is just my opinion.