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Private messages -are they?

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MawB2 Mon 07-Sept-20 20:46:50

I am extremely concerned that Private Messages I have sent to some members have been removed ostensibly “at user’s request”.
This is SIMPLY NOT TRUE.
I understood PMs were precisely that, ie “private” so nobody has the right to read, let alone delete them although I realise they do disappear if a member leaves GN.
I wonder if GNHQ would care to comment?

jenpax Mon 19-Oct-20 19:16:54

Callistemon ?qui

Callistemon Mon 19-Oct-20 19:07:32

Id quot circumiret, circumveniat.
Que sera, sera.
lo que será será
što će biti, bit će
Et cetera

c'est tout un tas de merde

Callistemon Mon 19-Oct-20 19:02:02

Though, I wonder if there is a job going as 'Monitor of Messages'?^
We could be the Prefects, kittylester and interject when necessary.

interject - are you impressed by my vocabulary?

Callistemon Mon 19-Oct-20 18:59:33

Some pms were deleted before I read them!

annodomini Mon 19-Oct-20 18:54:28

Five PMs 'removed at the user's request', all from Maw2B. I didn't request their removal and I would bet that she didn't either.

PECS Mon 19-Oct-20 18:36:44

Well a lot of different people must be deregistering! I have looked in my PM box and all but a very recent message was gone! I am not a very frequent poster and have only recently returned to GN after a long gap.. same name though..not a new incarnation! As i cannot recall who i have ever sent a PM too it would be tricky to ask for on or two to be deleted it would have to be the lot!

phoenix Mon 19-Oct-20 18:20:41

Ha ha ha! Apply as seen fit.

phoenix Mon 19-Oct-20 18:11:57

Good point, well presented, as my late boss used to say, BlueBelle

kittylester Mon 19-Oct-20 17:26:05

Other people might be much more interesting md.

Marydoll Mon 19-Oct-20 17:14:58

I'm finding all this very disquieting.

Kitty, you would be bored reading my PMs. They are all about macaroons and Susan Calman's visit to the fudge shop!

kittylester Mon 19-Oct-20 17:01:27

So they are misnamed? They are just messages not PRIVATE messages.

That is wrong!! Though, I wonder if there is a job going as 'Monitor of Messages'? I'd like to apply for that.

BlueBelle Mon 19-Oct-20 17:01:14

Well laragransnet how can you explain why for instance the last two messages received from one poster were immediately remove at senders request but further up this thread the sender said she did not remove them
A further 5 were removed the same day from another poster
Please explain

Grandmafrench Mon 19-Oct-20 16:46:23

Marydoll

*Lara*, even if you are only a recipient and want to tidy your inbox, you cannot do so, because others in the chain are effected. That doesn't sound very user friendly nor efficient.

It also means that you have to store PMs, you are finished with or may not wish to keep, for fear of deleting other's messages. We cannot possibly know if others in the chain are finished with them, nor even read them. It doesn't make sense and is flawed.
Surely only the sender, should be able to delete or retract for all users, the message they have sent and a single recipient being able to delete their own copy.

Not good IT housekeeping at all. It doesn't happen in other organisations. sad

I always thought they could be accessed by GNHQ. Under
Our Policy in Full with regard to privacy on the site, and then under Your Data What We Store and Why, it states:

We also store the following optional data for registered members:

"Private messages that you choose to send to other users"

then, under How Long is Your Data Stored?

"Private messages are stored until you delete them. If you delete your account, your messages will also be deleted".

Chewbacca Mon 19-Oct-20 16:25:29

Caveat emptor

Riverwalk Mon 19-Oct-20 16:22:49

I assume owners of websites have access to PMs - how can they not?

phoenix Mon 19-Oct-20 16:00:03

The short answer to the question posed in the OP is NO

Doodledog Tue 08-Sept-20 22:35:40

Marydoll

*Doodledog*, when you join GN, you are given the option of being emailed if you have PM.

Go to INBOX, then SETTINGS and tick the box to receive notification of a PM.

Thank you, Marydoll smile

Rufus2 Tue 08-Sept-20 12:19:49

It is annoying, as there might be something in a private message that you want to keep - a phone number, perhaps
No problem! smile
Rarely use PM, but when I do, I compose message in Word processor, "Save" then cut/paste to GN message box.
Then have opportunity to re-send if first go was removed accidentally, or send to somebody else depending on context!
After all, what a shame to have a cleverly crafted message destroyed at somebody's whim!! grin
Mind I'd be very dismayed if it was deleted at users'
request!
OoRoo

Marydoll Tue 08-Sept-20 11:52:56

Lara, even if you are only a recipient and want to tidy your inbox, you cannot do so, because others in the chain are effected. That doesn't sound very user friendly nor efficient.

It also means that you have to store PMs, you are finished with or may not wish to keep, for fear of deleting other's messages. We cannot possibly know if others in the chain are finished with them, nor even read them. It doesn't make sense and is flawed.
Surely only the sender, should be able to delete or retract for all users, the message they have sent and a single recipient being able to delete their own copy.

Not good IT housekeeping at all. It doesn't happen in other organisations. sad

aggie Tue 08-Sept-20 11:32:37

Well some were from our friend in her first incarnation

Elegran Tue 08-Sept-20 11:20:09

aggie People could be no longer posting without actually closing their accounts and deregistering.

kittylester Tue 08-Sept-20 10:35:56

One has to hope that the deleted message didn't contain anything vital or had been read.

Chewbacca Tue 08-Sept-20 10:31:50

Kittylester if the pm that was sent you, was also sent to a couple of other members too, if one of them deleted the message, all of the people in that chain would have the message deleted too (which is what happened to Marydoll).

LaraGransnet (GNHQ) Tue 08-Sept-20 10:28:01

Hi kittylester, if a user deletes their account or messages, then all messages in the chain are removed, including your own, we're afraid.

It’s something that we put in place in the run up to GDPR, because we took the view that in situations like this, we need to privilege the right of users to delete their data.
In the case of PMs, messages by poster A can often contain personally identifying information about poster B. Because we’re putting poster B’s right to delete her data above other concerns, when poster B deletes a PM that was sent to her, the PM is deleted from our servers and will disappear from poster A’s ‘sent’ folder .
Likewise, if poster B de-registers or asks us to delete all her data, we think she will rightly expect PMs between herself and poster A to be deleted from our servers. That means they’ll also disappear from poster A’s ‘sent’ folder. Hope that explains things a bit more fully. smile

kittylester Tue 08-Sept-20 10:09:26

I repeat - the message I received on Sunday was NOT deleted by the sender but another recipient!