To separate News from Politics

“ No politics on any news threads is what I and others are advocating.”

Right so that’s pretty clear.
No gardening comments on the cooking thread too ?
No menopause comments in pedants corner ?

No point replying to a comment such as that Alegrias so I won’t.

Galaxy I personally have absolutely no problem with the free speech of others, and I hope they feel the same about my comments too. I just find it tiresome when all this vying for whose responses are the most important kicks off in News items and even Political items.

lemongrove

I agree Josianne another reason that posters would want to give their opinions on a purely emotional level to breaking news without quoting facts and figures and stats and political point scoring.Particularly tragedies.

99% of GN posters like to see the actual facts behind a story.

The remaining 1% are threatened or irritated by knowledge that doesn't chime with their preconceptions and want to close down debate.

No googling, I made it up. Its my opinion and I'm entitled to it. And If you tell me otherwise you're just being a bully.

Galaxy you would be as free to express your feelings as you are now, just that threads are for differing topics.
You could start as many political threads as you like.You could comment on how you feel about news items, just as you can on threads under relationships, food, chat etc.

I’ve started a discussion in news and politics. My aim was the news element. I’ve been accused of playing politics because previous posts show I’m not a supporter of the party the man in the news previously represented in parliament.
Am I guilty of bringing another thread in?

People couldnt more clear about why they want this. They dont like the speech of others. I view it in the same way as I view those whose constantly press the report button.

lemongrove

I agree Josianne another reason that posters would want to give their opinions on a purely emotional level to breaking news without quoting facts and figures and stats and political point scoring.Particularly tragedies.

Yes, like Lockerbie, Herald of Free Enterprise etc. It's horrible that News of tragedies remain in our minds forever and ever.

I have no idea if I am one of the political posters or not. But that's not where I am coming from. I have seen this done before, it's certainly not an original tactic and its about speech for me not politics.

Dickens

Alegrias1

If you think there was no political aspect to the Dunblane shootings, you're way off. The law was changed as a result.

Politics doesn't mean party politics

Politics doesn't mean party politics

... and that, really, is what this is all about isn't it? I won't elaborate, it's fairly obvious.

But I'm still in favour of GNHQ allowing a 'news-but-no-politics' section. In principle, why not?

Yes, Dickens I think one poster (I can't remember who) rightly said this pages ago.

I agree Josianne another reason that posters would want to give their opinions on a purely emotional level to breaking news without quoting facts and figures and stats and political point scoring.Particularly tragedies.

I think lemongrove if there is a Heading called News it will at least steer the discussion in the right direction.

And yes, Alegrias immediate emotional responses to News are not to be dismissed, even in the political domain. If Boris cancels Christmas on 22nd December then the response will initially be totally emotional, and not immediately analytical.

And why not emotion?

But it's not the day itself is it, the point is a discussion now about dunblane would be about politics without a doubt. Someone up thread mentioned Kim Kardashian, I have seen numerous feminist threads on KK on Mumsnet for example, they were very political. I think people are meaning stopping party political rather than political.

Alegrias1

If you think there was no political aspect to the Dunblane shootings, you're way off. The law was changed as a result.

Politics doesn't mean party politics

Politics doesn't mean party politics

... and that, really, is what this is all about isn't it? I won't elaborate, it's fairly obvious.

But I'm still in favour of GNHQ allowing a 'news-but-no-politics' section. In principle, why not?

The only posters that are protesting about a thread heading are the ones who do enjoy political wrangles and seem to be cross that a non political news story cannot then be politicised as they would like.
Am sure that many more GN members would comment on a purely news thread knowing that politics isn’t part of it.

Good post Dickens and while on this, brains are all wired differently which is why to pick the Dunblane example, I gave no thought to gun laws on the day itself. Same with Aberfan and the coal mining board. Above all, I am just left with that initial feeling of overwhelming grief that I felt on that day when the News rolled in.

No Dickens you haven’t understood correctly ( what I am saying) and I can’t think why, as I have been clear enough.
No politics on any news threads is what I and others are advocating.
If Johnson or Starmer resigned then it’s clearly politics.Other news that isn’t political ( there’s plenty of it!) on a news thread.
It doesn’t have to be ‘bland’ it simply isn’t a political wrangle.
Those who enjoy a politics thread don’t have to post any less than they do now.

So we'll have a forum for immediate, emotional response to an event, and another for discussion of the reasons, implications and ideas for dealing with its aftermath.

Don't see the point.

Just use what we've got. We don't need a special forum for "sentimental initial responses only, please"

I do know that Alegrias and that could be applied to terrorist attacks, too.
I am not way off in thinking that many breaking news items in items garner an initial immediate response to them. How people react comes first, analysis and discussion comes after.

If you think there was no political aspect to the Dunblane shootings, you're way off. The law was changed as a result.

Politics doesn't mean party politics

Whitewavemark2

I think that a “politics” thread will be good.

All those who get huffy because we have the temerity to bring politics into everything will be gone, and those posting onto the thread will be there because it is political.

Win, win.

Quite frankly if the example of what the news threads will look like that we have already is what is ahead, I for sure won’t be posting on it. To the relief of many, no doubt.

Win win??

Really some posters come out with the most comical comments!

WWM2 The example on the News thread yesterday was a bit of tongue in cheek joke! Did you not see it was posted (with expressed intent) a couple of minutes after Lily GNHQ's comment about there being the possibility of such a thread? I hardly think it was important as the Christmas Tsunami, Dunblane, The Chilean Miners, The sinking of the Titanic (all pretty non political).
Anyway it gave folk a breather from all the protesting on here.

Whitewavemark2

The last speaker. Talking about the corruption in the Tory party and Johnson’s appalling leadership, lack of integrity and lies.

Mr Bercow I presume?

I think that a “politics” thread will be good.

All those who get huffy because we have the temerity to bring politics into everything will be gone, and those posting onto the thread will be there because it is political.

Win, win.

Quite frankly if the example of what the news threads will look like that we have already is what is ahead, I for sure won’t be posting on it. To the relief of many, no doubt.

Win win??

The thing is that no news can be unbiased - it's not possible. Even if two people witnessed the same thing, there is a good chance that they would report it differently. Neither would be lying - they would just each see things that the other missed, and their own life experiences would make them feel differently about what had happened.

On a board like this, if we are talking about a news report, we are already getting the information second hand via a journalist, who will inevitably have put a political spin on it. The OP will comment on the report with her own take on the story, and every subsequent post will add a different one.

Unless the OP is just 'Have you seen this story?' with a link to the site, and the replies are all 'yes', 'no', or 'I'm off to see', there will be political comment, whether the post is about a politician or an event.

varian It is very interesting to see a Johnson supporter bracket him together with Trump and Farage. That tells us a great deal. What do these three have in common?
Firstly, I am not a Johnson supporter. But I like to throw a different viewpoint into the arena as bait for the lions, otherwise we hear nothing but the same old.
Secondly, what those three have in common is that a mere mention of their names makes certain hackles rise and sets the aggressive posters off (as you have proved).