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Beswitched Tue 15-Feb-22 21:13:32

Really riled about this. A poster started a thread earlier today about bossy pisters trying to control threads. A lot of other posters agreed and said they too had often been made to feel uncomfortable, belittled or jeered at by a minority of posters.

A couple of posters then came on accusing the OP of stirring it and saying people should Name names. Other pisters quite rightly pointed out that this was inappropriate and against rules. The thread was then abruptly zapped as 'not being in the spirit...'

Concerned, I started a thread wondering about the zapping and requesting an explanation. Again a majority of posters agreedand also asjed for an explanation. Again, a couple of posters came on saying they didn't like the original thread, and also objected to my thread.

Once again HQ zapped the thread with no proper explanation. What is going on here!

Elegran Thu 17-Feb-22 09:03:16

I second that, MaybeMaw I have seen countless posts from people who thought that because their post hadn't received replies they were being deliberately ignored and sent to Coventry.

As well as your list of reasons, perhaps the post was a reiteration of something that had been repeated several times on that thread (it does get tedious giving the same responses over and over again to the same comments) or perhaps it was just that it hadn't caught anyone's eye strongly enough for them to be triggered to answer.

Galaxy Thu 17-Feb-22 08:55:09

I think as I mentioned at the start grin this is the problem with these kinds of threads and the 'those posters' thing. It causes hurt and nobody knows who anyone is talking about.

BlueBelle Thu 17-Feb-22 08:54:20

Most of us are ignored for 90% of our posts or even 99% aren’t we ?

VioletSky Thu 17-Feb-22 08:54:12

MayBeMaw

Anything is possible

MayBeMaw Thu 17-Feb-22 08:45:35

I do also think it is a shame you ignore me on other topics even though I have tried to engage you to show I have no hard feelings but here we are

I do often wonder, VioletSky -and others- how we can ever tell if somebody is ignoring us on a site such as this .
You can be busy, offline, laptop out of battery, away, out shopping, engrossed in a book, unwilling to get involved in a topic or just not in the mood for GN. Who is to say?
Years ago I remember somebody being castigated because they had not expressed “enough sympathy” for somebody going through an admittedly bad time on a particular thread. I know that they had been in touch both by DM and privately by email. So who is to say?

JaneJudge Thu 17-Feb-22 08:37:57

Belief in equality, in the rights of minorities and in intersectional feminism are at the core of my being

But the suggested changes to the law and language allow other minority groups to become vulnerable and they would affect safeguarding, women with learning disabilities and the choice in their care for example. This has been raised many times but is ignored or the old common sense will be applied approach is put forward. Unfortunately I have sat in enough best interests meetings to know that really isn't the reality at the heart of decision making

Ro60 Thu 17-Feb-22 00:21:49

?? Just when I thought there's no other line on The pister - brilliant.

rafichagran Wed 16-Feb-22 23:46:44

LauraNorderr

Haven’t mentioned the queen yet. I see Andrew has agreed to pay up, I bet that pister off.

I like that one very funny.

LauraNorderr Wed 16-Feb-22 22:54:17

Haven’t mentioned the queen yet. I see Andrew has agreed to pay up, I bet that pister off.

Doodledog Wed 16-Feb-22 22:51:21

Oh for goodness' sake!

I do not ignore you or anyone on other threads. I have posted in support of people with whom I've disagreed on 'trans threads' and been surprised when they have commented that 'we have often disagreed but . . .' as though that made any difference to the fact that I agreed with them on other topics.

I may disagree with someone about politics (however it manifests) but if they say that chocolate, or Bob Dylan, or labradoodles are life-enhancing, I will more than happily agree with them.

VioletSky Wed 16-Feb-22 22:01:41

Again doodledog it has been said directly too me in the past and even though I will occasionally try to point out when others are being unfair or making assumptions, I do not lie either.

I do also think it is a shame you ignore me on other topics even though I have tried to engage you to show I have no hard feelings but here we are.

I speak my mind, sometimes to my own detriment of course

Doodledog Wed 16-Feb-22 21:49:32

I have no wish to continue arguments from so-called 'trans threads' onto this one, so I won't respond to the rest of that post, trisher; but keeping to the topic of this thread, seriously - VS was not accused of anything.

I'm pretty sure that she hasn't called anyone a Nazi or a racist, and she says herself that she didn't, so why would GSM accuse her of doing so? To suggest that she has is basically accusing GSM of lying, which is not 'in the spirit of GN', and I am following my own advice and defending her from what I am sure is an unfair accusation.

Coastpath Wed 16-Feb-22 21:39:34

We need someone who can organise a pister up in a brewery.

trisher Wed 16-Feb-22 21:39:29

Iam64

Germanshepherdsmum

I know, Doodledog, but when you're accused of being a bigot and a Nazi it's very difficult to go back into that arena. Only 3 or 4 posters but that was enough and you very kindly came to my rescue. Those posters can be very different on other threads

I suspect we agree happily on any discussion about dogs germanshepherdsmum. Less so on politics but disagreements are interesting
Please don’t avoid the trans threads. I agree, being accused of being a nazi, bigot, not a real feminist, a terf, or a 70’s feminist who is left in some desolate smug white middle class wimmins place, is indeed grim. Your strong views very welcone

As usual on GN only one side of the argument is being presented. I remember questioning why it was OK for me to be called a communist (which I am not) and yet offensive to call someone with very right wing views a Nazi.
The same applies on the trans threads. I've been told I always put men first, called a patriarchal feminist, that I support violence towards women and numerous other things. None of which are true, all of which are used because people disagree with my transinclusive views. This is the usual method used to counter these views. Not rational argument, because actually there isn't a rational argument, but false assertions and inaccurate representation of my views. I just ignore them. Belief in equality, in the rights of minorities and in intersectional feminism are at the core of my being.
And as for the "Nobody's accusing you VioletSky" It's simply untrue. She along with the rest of us who are transinclusive has been condemned. I suppose someone will come along and tell her she was just imagining it in a minute.

Josieann Wed 16-Feb-22 21:37:41

Will there be pister meet ups? I'd hate to be the person having to get everyone to agree a place and a date.

Ro60 Wed 16-Feb-22 21:35:39

Aargh TH = GN

Ro60 Wed 16-Feb-22 21:35:09

? LadyGaGa!
Covens, Cliques etc: I'm a Pister - judging by the posts I inadvertently close down..
The other day I was musing about something innocuous & the busy thread ended. Never did find out if anyone thought the same. Hey ho.
To me, it's like a night out with my friends - there used to be between 6 & 15 of us. Quite often a remark would go un-commented on - we know we have different views on some things but know each other well enough to accept our differeces.
TH - it's great ❤

Beswitched Wed 16-Feb-22 21:28:07

You have to know the pisterword.

Janamax Wed 16-Feb-22 21:07:48

Can I join the Pisters coven? Sounds like my cup of wine. ?

VioletSky Wed 16-Feb-22 20:51:29

I felt the need to defend myself openly doodledog and I have, not sure anything else really needs to be said about it

Doodledog Wed 16-Feb-22 20:48:05

I really don't think that anyone was accusing you, VS.

VioletSky Wed 16-Feb-22 20:39:42

doodledog

I can name exactly 3 regular trans inclusive posters on the trans threads and I am one of them

I am also lumped in as one mass with the same other posters there

I have also been directly accused of the same there

So I felt it was necessary to give my side given what has been discussed here and now I have

Doodledog Wed 16-Feb-22 20:34:50

If you haven't said those things then it's clearly not about you, VS smile

VioletSky Wed 16-Feb-22 20:33:28

As one of the "3 or 4" who are accepting towards trans women on the trans threads, I am pretty sure I have never called anyone either of those words.

I am also not different at all on other threads, I'm exactly the same and always try to put my points across kindly, the only difference is the subject matter and people's perception of me as a person based purely on being trans inclusive.

I'm trans inclusive while still respecting women, their safe spaces and their needs which I always do point out even if I don't always have all the answers about how to achieve that

Callistemon21 Wed 16-Feb-22 20:17:06

Germanshepherdsmum

I know, Doodledog, but when you're accused of being a bigot and a Nazi it's very difficult to go back into that arena. Only 3 or 4 posters but that was enough and you very kindly came to my rescue. Those posters can be very different on other threads

Good grief!

Well, apparently I'm a racist because I said something about the geography and logistics of India.
(Don't tell my Indian friends, please.)