How to steal the show.

Allira Jane Fonda was very beautiful, but looks ancient now. Hate her politics. Not exactly a good advertisement for face cream, and neither is Helen Mirren.

Peaseblossom

Allira Jane Fonda was very beautiful, but looks ancient now. Hate her politics. Not exactly a good advertisement for face cream, and neither is Helen Mirren.

She's not ancient yet!! 😁

I saw Mary Berry at a funeral in my village recently, MOnica, and she looked terrific.

But Joan looks great too.

M0nica

I am ambivalent. Joan Collins is a credit to what artifice and money can buy, but Mary Berry at much the same age looks, fresher, younger and more attractive.

I am afraid there is a touch of mutton dressed as lamb in this photo.

I really feel compelled to comment on this post. “ mutton dressed as lamb” in my opinion is just about the rudest, bitchiest and cattiest thing for a woman to say about another woman especially one as beautiful as Joan Collins! I tend to think it says more about the person saying it than the object of their vitriol.

She looks great!

Annika22

M0nica

I am ambivalent. Joan Collins is a credit to what artifice and money can buy, but Mary Berry at much the same age looks, fresher, younger and more attractive.

I am afraid there is a touch of mutton dressed as lamb in this photo.

I really feel compelled to comment on this post. “ mutton dressed as lamb” in my opinion is just about the rudest, bitchiest and cattiest thing for a woman to say about another woman especially one as beautiful as Joan Collins! I tend to think it says more about the person saying it than the object of their vitriol.

To be dressed as lamb even metaphorically, would in my mind mean to have her hair in ringlets with a smocked, puff-sleeved summer dress 😁

"Notice the aged skin and colouring on her ankles and feet. "

FGS, the woman is 93 years old in a few days time, cut her some slack. Most of us will be rotting in the ground by that age!

Her ankles and feet look fine to me trotting round Cannes the following day.
Pretty dress too.

Silvershadow

But we don’t all live in your area Wyllow so us southerners and our daughters and grand daughters aren’t aware of it. We have our own community news in our own areas. And isn’t it lovely to have a break from ‘serious issues and community initiatives’ which I believe should be on the news and politics thread where you usually post prolifically.

This thread is about admiration for a lady 99% of women in the UK, who know if her, would admire.

Well, there are several ways of approaching this: what do we think of her hair and get up as such, as individuals, just in a visual sense..yes but......

But in fact it is political, in the social/cultural sense that we all perceive the world in different ways depending on the culture we live in.

If you see it as properly belonging only in style and beauty then that your POV - fair enough, but it's not an "absolute".
Our particular culture sees looking younger as "beautiful" and it can but affect all of us.

At its extremes it's "I look 20 years younger!!!" "her husband is x years younger" (what a triumph!!??...why?)

Other cultures value their elders in completely different ways: wisdom and respect don't come with being wrinkle free or getting that hair colour dyed just right.

For we don't live as individuals, we live within a society, where we form our notions accordingly (ie many different POV, but overall ours has become one where youthful looks have a "value" it doesn't in others).

And of course, its still the case that an older woman's face is often perceived differently to a mans: a mans crinkles and wrinkles are "interesting" " show character"

I guess my background and training do tend towards me seeing individuals sociologically, its neither boredom nor envy driving this.

People watching is fascinating to do: one can see the same "Scene" or person in so many different ways.

Wyllow Surely within our society we have a diverse idea of what "old" looks like, how "old" should behave and what value" old" people bring to their community.We don't need to be the same, there's room for us all to express our difference without being faced with criticism.

Well, I guess for you Wyllow3 lots of us on this thread are very shallow then to engage in small talk about Joan's appearance. Because that's what your criticism sounds like.
Maybe it's good to enjoy the simpler picture than to deconstruct everything into social constructs.

MartavTaurus

Well, I guess for you Wyllow3 lots of us on this thread are very shallow then to engage in small talk about Joan's appearance. Because that's what your criticism sounds like.
Maybe it's good to enjoy the simpler picture than to deconstruct everything into social constructs.

At this time in my life I am unashamedly as deep as the shallowest puddle

This, I assumed was a lighthearted thread 🤷‍♀️

No you are not shallow at all. I'm just not sort of able to in look at things in that way. I saw the pic, thought "yuk" and tried to ponder why. Different world view? Probably: just one I've never been interested in.

Yes we do have myriad ways of seeing aging Foxie including within our UK cultures. Another fascinating thing.

So on the "yuk" factor..... now give me a pic of Judy Dench, who's put weight on and got the wrinkles to go with, I'll smile. I cant "justify it, it just is. It's sort of... real? No artifice?

Judi Dench makes just as much of her appearance as Joan Collins and Jane Fonda. Her character look is the cropped haircut, the flowing jacket, the long scarf etc. she does wear make up, possibly more subtly than Joan yesterday, but she wears it. All these actresses have their USP, their “look”. There’s no doubt about that.

Wyllow You are taking this far too seriously and over analysing. It is just a thread discussing how a 92 year old woman looks. Most of here thinks she looks glamorous.
I must say though I think some of the comments gave been horrible. Most posters think she looks good, but some posters in my opinion have gone to far.

The comment mutton done up as lamb was just plain wrong. To bring dementure into it was a step to far by a poster who is not qualified to suggest that diagnosis.

What makes people think how they do is fascinating to me rafichagran.

Just because you don't find it so doesn't mean I'm being "over anything".

Like most people I have bits of GN life that fascinate, that I avoid, that are fun, that are sad or/and thought provoking, where people need and get support... where we discuss TV or do puzzles....jump in on politics..

(try shoes thread atm?)

Absolutely grotesque, completly fake. Nothing to admire.

semperfidelis

Absolutely grotesque, completly fake. Nothing to admire.

In your opinion. Others disagree.

Wyllow3

Well.... I'd like to be weller and be able to go out more on walks and see more of family, but I would hate every single moment and the artificiality of it all.
I'd rather spend 2 hours with someone I'm fond of on a sunny day than all the glitz.

I'm sure there's time for both!

😂

M0nica

I am ambivalent. Joan Collins is a credit to what artifice and money can buy, but Mary Berry at much the same age looks, fresher, younger and more attractive.

I am afraid there is a touch of mutton dressed as lamb in this photo.

So very true

[sigh]

She's channelling the part she played.
The Duchess of Windsor.

Natural good looks taken very good care of! It's her job after all, to look glamorous.

Wyllow - yes your points are valid. And there is much beauty in some of those portraits you see of old women with faces like walnuts & wise,kind eyes.

But to do the glamour at 92 and manage to look beautiful, not silly, that is wonderful as an absolute I think.