Are you going to Greece? Help the refugees

There are several points in that link which I will talk about at some point.

I dont think David Cameron lies. I would expect him to find out some facts before he opens his mouth.

Thanks Nfk.
Still only 385 signatures. That's nearly one per million euros that Goldman Sachs made from Greece.
What could Greece do with that 450 million euros......?

www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/14/kos-migrants-stadium-like-a-prison-greek-island-refugees-immigration

The last two paragraphs say it all. It's also interesting to note that tourists queue for ferries to take them to Turkey for 20 euros, whilst the refugees are charged 50 times more than that to get to Kos from Turkey. If only they knew.

Cameron has not the foggiest how many are leaving their countries because they are economic migrants , considering his attitude towards these people he couldn't very well say they are refugees could he .

These swarming economic migrants or these swarming refugees !

(That was for the SumofUs link!)

Signed DJ

David Cameron cannot be said to be impartial.

You wouldn't have said that if you'd read the link. Most of the information is from reputable refugee statistical groups.

Of course the Guardian always gives impartial information, doesn't it?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/aug/10/10-truths-about-europes-refugee-crisis

Some facts about the migrants.

What do you believe - them or Dave?

Do you always believe everything that Cameron says?

According to David Cameron, I think[if I got his gist right] that most that are trying to come here are economic migrants and not asylum seekers.

The two are quite different in my opinion.

How many embassies/consulates are still open in war-torn areas of Africa? That was why I suggested: ^ I realise that in some countries we don't have embassies but we could surely use nearby countries? ^ They would be a lot nearer than Europe wherever they are in Africa!

Here's another idea, Nonnie.

community.sumofus.org/petitions/goldman-made-450-million-euros-from-crashing-the-greek-economy-it-should-return-the-profits

If Goldman Sachs had to repay then Greece would not be in such difficulties, and might not be telling migrants to go home. Can Goldman Sachs be made to, any more than we can be made to give them back the Elgin Marbles?

How many embassies/consulates are still open in war-torn areas of Africa?

That's what people used to do and some still do. Its not that easy to just decide to live here. Think about the American green card system. You can't just turn up in the USA and hope for the best! (Although Trump seems to think that Mexicans do!). I am a bit concerned about some of the economic migrants but I'm biased because of the wealthy Somali drugs gangsters here. Several recently imprisoned for gun crimes. Refugees are one thing people who are just plain 'at it' are something else!

Just an idea, what if we had staff in our embassies/consulates (not sure of the difference!) to cope with this? If they 'processed' people wouldn't they be more likely to get it right? Am I being too simplistic? I realise that in some countries we don't have embassies but we could surely use nearby countries? If this worked there wouldn't be any need for people to put themselves in so much danger on the sea.

Those who want a better life usually come by plane

True. But the country wants their skills. Needs their skills.

But we do know that there are assylum seekers too.

Surely there is some way we can sort out who is genuinely fleeing from danger and those who simply want to leave their own country for a better life rather than staying where they are and making life better.

I was going to write good point.
But then I started to think about an official somewhere trying to work it out, and people may just lie.
And the officials are not going to be able to go to the country to find out. Though I suppose there must be rules somewhere about which countries people are likely to flee from, and which not.

Those who want to come for a better life usually come by plane.

I also read somewhere that most illegal immigrants in this country are from places like Australia, and they have outstayed their visas.

I heard something about people coming from Nigeria who are not fleeing anything and do worry about the countries all these people are leaving behind. In the same way as I was furious when we sent people to India to recruit doctors and nurses when their own country needed them.

Surely there is some way we can sort out who is genuinely fleeing from danger and those who simply want to leave their own country for a better life rather than staying where they are and making life better. What will become of these countries if their middle classes all leave?

I saw that interview Nfk and found it hard not to weep for that young man and all the other people fleeing war in Syria. This isn't just a european "problem" its an international one but the european governments need to get together and come up with some consensus about what to do. It seems wrong to conflate the families fleeing war in Syria with so many other migrants from African countries. I recognise many of them are running from war and conflict in their countries but what's happening in Syria is leading to parents risking their children's lives in an attempt to get to safety.

The Greek islands can't continue to care for these people without support from the rest of Europe.

A young man interviewed on Kos was shown on TV last evening. When asked what he had expected when he landed there he said "Heaven, you know? Heaven". I do feel for them so much, but what to do? Do we have space for all who want to come? Can we really help so many assorted nationalities coming with so many different languages, customs and lifestyles? Give them the jobs, homes and security they're lead to expect are here? It's a hell of a problem.

Didn't bring it back because of anyone especially, just wanted it to be seen by as many as possible especially after yesterday's news.

I would like to say that I have noticed a lot of women and children among the refugees so it isn't only the young fit males as has been suggested. They may be the majority but far from all.