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is anyone else considering their carbon footprint?

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Grammaretto Fri 04-Oct-19 13:01:06

Sorry if I come across as a party pooper but twice recently people who have been on climate change protests and cry when they watch the TV programmes about melting ice, extreme weather and homeless animals, have also caught planes because they say:

trains are too slow and prohibitively expensive

Isn't it about time we/they woke up to the fact that we are part of the problem ?
What do others think?

I would be truly interested to know. I see on facebook today several friends are jetting off on their third or fourth trip this year. I have flown when there is no other choice, or driven my petrol car, but I always first consider the alternative - which is often far more fun and part of the holiday. Train to Europe for example.

When I was young we holidayed once a year, in the UK, whatever the weather. We didn't go abroad until I was in my late teens.

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 17:33:47

I like Camay. Can only get it online now. Or in Abergavenny market when I go to Wales. No doubt it has palm oil. Sigh.

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 17:30:40

We all need soap.

We dont need 14 different kinds of soap per household.

Can wash your clothes in dehydrated & reconstituted conkers

Detergent is detergent, dont need to be buying it rebranded into 20 different products all processed slightly differently but essentially doingbthecsame thing: having a hydrophillic and a hydrophobic element so fats are both bound to and also washed away by water. Each task does not need its own special product!

I've made my own soap at home one or two batches can do a year.

MissAdventure Sun 06-Oct-19 17:28:11

Just what you said.
It costs more, which is fine if you're comfortably off, but lots of people aren't.

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 17:26:32

And people won't stop buying beauty products. What's wrong with paying a bit more for palm oil free stuff?

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 17:24:28

(It's got palm oil in it)

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 17:23:22

We all need soap.

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 17:18:48

Truly sustainable lifestyles must happen.

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 17:17:23

Truly certified sustainable crops must happen.

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 17:16:02

Truly certified sustainable palm oil must happen.

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 17:14:19

Everything that Palm oil production can be guilty of, Soy production can be guilty of: the deforestation/destruction, all of it!

And retailers and companies that market themselves as having palm oil free products almost all stock products with Soy derivatives!

Soy derivatives can be used as palm oil sustitutes and overall it is no greener! Not one bit!

People are falling for a con with the "no palm oil" products!

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 17:01:09

All these things are giving people an excuse to believe that they can be "green" without really giving anything up or being inconvenienced

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 16:57:48

Agree Hetty.

But have you seen some of the "green tarif" ads?

"When you use our green tarif you are helping the environment"

NO YOU'RE NOT you are still using resources!!

Yes they may be "lesser evil" resources (not always, some green tarifs are not so green..) but you are not doing the environment a FAVOUR by running your heating/drier etc..

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 16:55:11

If we are to consider how to provide for lots of people whilst using up minimum resources/polution, it is high yeld things like palm oil we should be looking at!

But its fashionable and convenient to villify Palm oil so that wont happen

Hetty58 Sun 06-Oct-19 16:52:01

A big part of the problem is our (often habitual) use of heating and cooling. It's an area where we can make a big difference. Wrap up warm when it's chilly, don't super-heat your whole house and consider whether you really need to use the air con in your car quite so much.

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 16:50:38

"market"

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 16:49:46

Because who would markey that?

Who is going to make a viral ad telling you to stop shopping so much?

Nobody

They will make ads about palm oil so you come and buy lots of palm oil free stuff

They will make ads about reducing plastic packaging so that you keep buying more food than you need or use.

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 16:49:44

I agree about food waste.

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 16:48:25

Palm oil has become an evil crop. For reasons I have already mentioned.

No point going over old ground on here.

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 16:47:29

I think foodstuffs are the least part of the problem. Palm oil is in more than just food.

Yes. And a lot of those products are "wants" not "needs" so switching for the palm oil free version doesnt address the true cause of the problem!

But food waste is a huge problem
We are eating more than we need
And buying more than we eat.

Food waste actually has a higher overall environmental impact than single use plastic packaging, but once again, one small aspect of the problem is scapegoated so that we dont need to really change our habits!

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 16:43:51

Palm oil is not an evil crop. It is a very good crop.

It has been scape goated.

Timber trees are planted in slash and burn areas causing just as much destruction of biodiversity and carbon release and devestation, do we boycott timber too? Soy?

The crops arent the problem. The rates of demand are.

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 16:41:11

I think foodstuffs are the least part of the problem. Palm oil is in more than just food.

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 16:39:44

Yes, we need to consume less. That speaks for itself.

Clearly it doesnt with so many people falling for greenwash! Believing they dont need to fundamentally change their consumer habits so long as they switch to the green-wash version. Which are often as bad if not sometimes worse for the planet!

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 16:39:36

The forests must be managed sustainably, and certificates handed out by corruption free authorities.

I think they are working on it.

I don't think we will ever manage without palm oil. Like you say, buy less.

Who's arguing?

notanan2 Sun 06-Oct-19 16:35:06

*
Palm oil is the crop that be grown very easily in places like the Amazon. It thrives in those places. That's why they slash and burn to grow it - easy profits, on a huge scale.

It's in (almost) everything. Rapeseed or sunflower oil couldn't be grown in such huge quantities.*

Exactly! The alternatives need more space, more irrigation, and more processing to produce lower yields.

The forests are being burnt to grow whatever crop is in demand. If you switch to palm oil free products those alternatives are not greener! They are more polluting and more resource heavy to grow and process, and the forests still burn!!

Continuing to buy heavily processed food just switching to "palm oil free" versions does not reduce your environmental impact, it can make it worse!

Gonegirl Sun 06-Oct-19 16:30:41

Yes, we need to consume less. That speaks for itself. But the palm oil business must be sorted out.