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Carnival on the Continent

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Mellnau Fri 13-Feb-26 18:06:37

Have you ever been there?
And if so, what did you see?
Btw …. The high season of Carnival has started yesterday. 😊😇

Nannee49 Sat 14-Feb-26 08:17:34

Kate49 I know you're a long term Venice lover like myself and I wish you could go in Winter.

I went solo there for a few days in late November a few years ago and one night found myself alone in St. Mark's square which I couldn't believe was completely empty - I'd come at it from one of the side alleyway near the Fenice.

It was a bit spooky but totally magical and oh so easy to just feel the history of the place.

Mellnau Sat 14-Feb-26 09:11:14

Aveline

I can only assume that the OP is one of those Americans who somehow think Europe is just one country.

I am not American

And yes, for Carnival many countries in Europe are united in their celebrations.

😊😎

JackyB Sat 14-Feb-26 09:29:31

I live in the middle of it. It's dying out a little here in Germany but basically there are events from November up to shrove Tuesday. You can watch the parades (Mainz, Cologne, Düsseldorf) especially on the Monday (Rosenmontag) in the comfort of your own living room. If you go to Cologne or Düsseldorf there are balls and parties but you need to know where to go. You have to book the (very expensive) tickets well in advance and come suitably dressed. The streets are full of people partying and drinking from the Thursday until the Tuesday. It's hard to join in if you don't know anyone though.

In the 1970s, when I was working in Mannheim, everything shut down on the Monday and Tuesday. No one did any work. I could tell some incredible stories about what we got up to back in the day.

Also look out for the Wiener Opernball. (Vienna opera ball) It was where the young ladies were presented at court in centuries past. They all had to wear white dresses and the whole dance floor was full of couples waltzing to the Blue Danube. This tradition is still carried out and attracts a lot of press.

JackyB Sat 14-Feb-26 09:33:35

Also Ramadan starts this week but I don't think they have a similar way of seeing it in. They take it more seriously.

JackyB Sat 14-Feb-26 09:34:13

Has anyone ever been to Brazil for the festivities there?

Aveline Sat 14-Feb-26 09:42:27

Roman Catholic pre lent festivities.

Riversidegirl Sat 14-Feb-26 09:43:22

Went to Nice and Menton once. All flashing lights at Nice and poured with rain at Menton. But seemed good otherwise!

MartavTaurus Sat 14-Feb-26 09:46:47

m.youtube.com/watch?v=DIDKEqOH3n0

RosiesMawagain Sat 14-Feb-26 09:54:02

One of my nieces is Brazilian, living in Rio.
Carnival in Rio sounds to be out of this world!

Kate1949 Sat 14-Feb-26 10:32:04

Syracute and Nannee I'll show him your posts! I don't think he'll be convinced. He says 'Im 80 next month. I'm not going anywhere cold.'. Still, how lucky am I to have been to that magical place at all?

MartavTaurus Sat 14-Feb-26 10:47:08

MartavTaurus

m.youtube.com/watch?v=DIDKEqOH3n0

Sorry, I forgot to write anything.
This is a travel video, not dodgy!

JackyB Sat 14-Feb-26 11:52:19

I've looked to see if you can get organised tours so that you don't miss any events. But it is the same in most places (I looked at Cologne and Venice). There don't seem to be any convenient packages. Accommodation should be booked well in advance. Perhaps that would be a new idea for some enterprising tour companies: tours including accommodation, tickets to events, buses to see the big parades and costume hire.

As it seems the only way at the moment would be to organise it yourself, with some planning you can make a full weekend of it.

Street parades can be found in the local press. Balls and parties (usually fancy dress) are expensive, often exclusive, very loud and much of the entertainment is spoken. They are usually run by the local Karnevalverein (every town has its own carnival organisation, usually with a nickname relating to a historic so aspect of the town). Tickets for these must be booked in advance. But otherwise you have to find your own way around and it is best in a group.

In Germany, Prunksitzungen are very popular. The most famous are televised nationwide and suddenly the Germans in protestant areas in the North discover that it's That Time of Year again .These are variety shows and can include

- Büttenreden:

Speeches, often in dialect, in rhyming couplets, with political or controversial content, but very clever and very funny if you can understand the dialect and know enough about local political affairs.

- Tanzmariechen:

Young children dancing in formation, dressed in uniforms which were originally a parody of the Napoleonic armies who were often a subject of ridicule. The dances are every bit as demanding as American cheerleader sequences.

- Brass bands

- Other comic and musical acts, or commuters etc as in a variety show anywhere.

- Communal singing, which again is best if you know the songs, but the fun is contagious, and even hardened party poopers will join in.

Each town has its Elferrat - Council of Eleven. These chaps are usually sat at the back of the stage along a long table in their jaunty jackets and ridiculous hats.

In fact the number eleven is very significant throughout. Possibly representing the apostles minus Judas Iscariot but that is just a theory of mine.

The whole thing starts at 11:11 on the 11th November.
All subsequent events start at 11 minutes past the hour (the parade in our town starts today at 14:11h).
Eleventh anniversaries and multiples thereof are celebrated rather than "round" numbers.

On Ash Wednesday, people get together for lunch of salted herrings and potato salad as a hangover cure.

Traditionally, the sombre days of Kent then follow, starting with mass on the Wednesday evening where the repentant sinners receive the ash cross on their forehead.

I could go on, but those are the main points at least in this part of the world.

MartavTaurus Sat 14-Feb-26 12:38:54

Vielen Dank Jacky, das war sehr interessant.
You've done my Year 12 student's AS Level German lesson for me this week. Wir studieren deutsche Feste und Traditionen.
Amazing how Gransnet is so helpful!

MartavTaurus Sat 14-Feb-26 14:02:02

The whole thing starts at 11:11 on the 11th November.
All subsequent events start at 11 minutes past the hour.
May I ask a somewhat sensitive question here? It has nothing to do with the date and time when hostilities ended in the First World War, 1918, does it?

Oreo Sat 14-Feb-26 14:09:48

MartavTaurus

^The whole thing starts at 11:11 on the 11th November.^
All subsequent events start at 11 minutes past the hour.
May I ask a somewhat sensitive question here? It has nothing to do with the date and time when hostilities ended in the First World War, 1918, does it?

It surely does🤔

Norah Sat 14-Feb-26 14:14:03

Yes, we've been to Karneval in Germany. Monday is Rosenmontag - seems to merely be a day off work leading to Karneval.

Also to New Orleans in USA for Mardi Gras.

Final party before receiving ashes on Wednesday and Lent.

Oreo Sat 14-Feb-26 14:15:38

Am looking forward to our own tradition of many pancakes covered in golden syrup😋

MartavTaurus Sat 14-Feb-26 14:17:40

Oreo

MartavTaurus

The whole thing starts at 11:11 on the 11th November.
All subsequent events start at 11 minutes past the hour.
May I ask a somewhat sensitive question here? It has nothing to do with the date and time when hostilities ended in the First World War, 1918, does it?

It surely does🤔

But it's origins date back to 19th Century I believe. Something to do with Saint Martin's Day, though it does seem a coincidence with WW1? 🤔

dustyangel Sat 14-Feb-26 14:40:42

It’s Carnaval in Portuguese and yes it starts today and will carry on tomorrow, Monday and Tuesday. Yesterday should have been Children’s Carnaval but the weather has been so appalling that it was cancelled this year. Fortunately it’s stopped raining today and is forecast dry for the next couple of days but quite a bit colder. Bit chilly for “The Brazilians” as the floats with the topless ladies on are always called.

The photo is from last year’s Carnaval and my lovely cleaner is in the front row there.

dustyangel Sat 14-Feb-26 15:02:43

I’ve misled you all. Just read through my post and realised that Carnaval is only on for three days and of course it starts on Sunday.

AuntieE Sat 14-Feb-26 15:12:52

Traditionally the carnival started on Twelfth Night and ended on Shrove Tuesday, as Lent begins on Ash Wednesday. Now, I am unsure whether this holds anywhere except in Vienna.

The world carnival comes from the Latin expression "carne vale" meaning "good bye meat" as no eat was eaten in Lent in Catholic countries until the reforms suggested by the Second Vatican Council.

Allira Sat 14-Feb-26 15:52:38

I think it's celebrating and eating up the meat, eggs, drinking the wine and other goodies before the abstinence of Lent, starting on Ash Wednesday.

Shrove-tide, the three days before Ash Wednesday, aka Carnival, although the Sunday sounds more fun in other countries as Sunday here was for confession of sins.
Monday and Tuesday to eat up meat, eggs etc.

Not golden syrup Oreo! DH eats them like that 😲
Lemon and sugar.

JackyB do salted herrings and potato salad really work as a hangover cure?
Asking for a friend.

JackyB Sat 14-Feb-26 22:18:49

No idea if they really help, but salty foods and plenty of liquids are generally thought to repair the damage done by overdoing the alcohol.

And the 11th November thing dates back to the 19th century. Well before 1918. I can't find any info on this in English, only in German

JackyB Sat 14-Feb-26 22:31:27

As MartavTaurus says, it is loosely connected with the St Martin's day celebrations on 11 Nov (which are also huge here).

The number 11 is the "fools' number" and most of the traditions require fools in some form or another.

There is also some significance in the fact that the German word "elf" for eleven also represents the French motto "égalité, liberté, fraternité" but I don't really understand the connection there.

dragonfly46 Sat 14-Feb-26 22:41:49

I lived in the Netherlands for 18 years and don’t remember there being a Carnival at this time of year.