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Carnival on the Continent

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Mellnau Fri 13-Feb-26 18:06:37

Have you ever been there?
And if so, what did you see?
Btw …. The high season of Carnival has started yesterday. 😊😇

Allira Sun 15-Feb-26 16:43:50

Norah

Mellnau

Norah

Yes, we've been to Karneval in Germany. Monday is Rosenmontag - seems to merely be a day off work leading to Karneval.

Also to New Orleans in USA for Mardi Gras.

Final party before receiving ashes on Wednesday and Lent.

No, it does not.
The number 11 has always been thecarnival number

Apparently we disagree. Easter is not always the same number, Ash Wednesday is not always the same, thus Karneval, Mardi Gras, Rosemontag vary as well.

Easter is a Moveable Feast.

Norah Sun 15-Feb-26 14:36:28

Mellnau

Norah

Yes, we've been to Karneval in Germany. Monday is Rosenmontag - seems to merely be a day off work leading to Karneval.

Also to New Orleans in USA for Mardi Gras.

Final party before receiving ashes on Wednesday and Lent.

No, it does not.
The number 11 has always been thecarnival number

Apparently we disagree. Easter is not always the same number, Ash Wednesday is not always the same, thus Karneval, Mardi Gras, Rosemontag vary as well.

Gin Sat 14-Feb-26 23:17:03

I lived in central Rome and Carnevale was a dangerous time. We lived near a senior school and the teenagers rampaged around the streets throwing flour and eggs at you. There was a lot of fancy dress and partying over the weekend before Shrove Tuesday.

Mellnau Sat 14-Feb-26 23:01:09

Norah

Yes, we've been to Karneval in Germany. Monday is Rosenmontag - seems to merely be a day off work leading to Karneval.

Also to New Orleans in USA for Mardi Gras.

Final party before receiving ashes on Wednesday and Lent.

No, it does not.
The number 11 has always been thecarnival number

dragonfly46 Sat 14-Feb-26 22:41:49

I lived in the Netherlands for 18 years and don’t remember there being a Carnival at this time of year.

JackyB Sat 14-Feb-26 22:31:27

As MartavTaurus says, it is loosely connected with the St Martin's day celebrations on 11 Nov (which are also huge here).

The number 11 is the "fools' number" and most of the traditions require fools in some form or another.

There is also some significance in the fact that the German word "elf" for eleven also represents the French motto "égalité, liberté, fraternité" but I don't really understand the connection there.

JackyB Sat 14-Feb-26 22:18:49

No idea if they really help, but salty foods and plenty of liquids are generally thought to repair the damage done by overdoing the alcohol.

And the 11th November thing dates back to the 19th century. Well before 1918. I can't find any info on this in English, only in German

Allira Sat 14-Feb-26 15:52:38

I think it's celebrating and eating up the meat, eggs, drinking the wine and other goodies before the abstinence of Lent, starting on Ash Wednesday.

Shrove-tide, the three days before Ash Wednesday, aka Carnival, although the Sunday sounds more fun in other countries as Sunday here was for confession of sins.
Monday and Tuesday to eat up meat, eggs etc.

Not golden syrup Oreo! DH eats them like that 😲
Lemon and sugar.

JackyB do salted herrings and potato salad really work as a hangover cure?
Asking for a friend.

AuntieE Sat 14-Feb-26 15:12:52

Traditionally the carnival started on Twelfth Night and ended on Shrove Tuesday, as Lent begins on Ash Wednesday. Now, I am unsure whether this holds anywhere except in Vienna.

The world carnival comes from the Latin expression "carne vale" meaning "good bye meat" as no eat was eaten in Lent in Catholic countries until the reforms suggested by the Second Vatican Council.

dustyangel Sat 14-Feb-26 15:02:43

I’ve misled you all. Just read through my post and realised that Carnaval is only on for three days and of course it starts on Sunday.

dustyangel Sat 14-Feb-26 14:40:42

It’s Carnaval in Portuguese and yes it starts today and will carry on tomorrow, Monday and Tuesday. Yesterday should have been Children’s Carnaval but the weather has been so appalling that it was cancelled this year. Fortunately it’s stopped raining today and is forecast dry for the next couple of days but quite a bit colder. Bit chilly for “The Brazilians” as the floats with the topless ladies on are always called.

The photo is from last year’s Carnaval and my lovely cleaner is in the front row there.

MartavTaurus Sat 14-Feb-26 14:17:40

Oreo

MartavTaurus

The whole thing starts at 11:11 on the 11th November.
All subsequent events start at 11 minutes past the hour.
May I ask a somewhat sensitive question here? It has nothing to do with the date and time when hostilities ended in the First World War, 1918, does it?

It surely does🤔

But it's origins date back to 19th Century I believe. Something to do with Saint Martin's Day, though it does seem a coincidence with WW1? 🤔

Oreo Sat 14-Feb-26 14:15:38

Am looking forward to our own tradition of many pancakes covered in golden syrup😋

Norah Sat 14-Feb-26 14:14:03

Yes, we've been to Karneval in Germany. Monday is Rosenmontag - seems to merely be a day off work leading to Karneval.

Also to New Orleans in USA for Mardi Gras.

Final party before receiving ashes on Wednesday and Lent.

Oreo Sat 14-Feb-26 14:09:48

MartavTaurus

^The whole thing starts at 11:11 on the 11th November.^
All subsequent events start at 11 minutes past the hour.
May I ask a somewhat sensitive question here? It has nothing to do with the date and time when hostilities ended in the First World War, 1918, does it?

It surely does🤔

MartavTaurus Sat 14-Feb-26 14:02:02

The whole thing starts at 11:11 on the 11th November.
All subsequent events start at 11 minutes past the hour.
May I ask a somewhat sensitive question here? It has nothing to do with the date and time when hostilities ended in the First World War, 1918, does it?

MartavTaurus Sat 14-Feb-26 12:38:54

Vielen Dank Jacky, das war sehr interessant.
You've done my Year 12 student's AS Level German lesson for me this week. Wir studieren deutsche Feste und Traditionen.
Amazing how Gransnet is so helpful!

JackyB Sat 14-Feb-26 11:52:19

I've looked to see if you can get organised tours so that you don't miss any events. But it is the same in most places (I looked at Cologne and Venice). There don't seem to be any convenient packages. Accommodation should be booked well in advance. Perhaps that would be a new idea for some enterprising tour companies: tours including accommodation, tickets to events, buses to see the big parades and costume hire.

As it seems the only way at the moment would be to organise it yourself, with some planning you can make a full weekend of it.

Street parades can be found in the local press. Balls and parties (usually fancy dress) are expensive, often exclusive, very loud and much of the entertainment is spoken. They are usually run by the local Karnevalverein (every town has its own carnival organisation, usually with a nickname relating to a historic so aspect of the town). Tickets for these must be booked in advance. But otherwise you have to find your own way around and it is best in a group.

In Germany, Prunksitzungen are very popular. The most famous are televised nationwide and suddenly the Germans in protestant areas in the North discover that it's That Time of Year again .These are variety shows and can include

- Büttenreden:

Speeches, often in dialect, in rhyming couplets, with political or controversial content, but very clever and very funny if you can understand the dialect and know enough about local political affairs.

- Tanzmariechen:

Young children dancing in formation, dressed in uniforms which were originally a parody of the Napoleonic armies who were often a subject of ridicule. The dances are every bit as demanding as American cheerleader sequences.

- Brass bands

- Other comic and musical acts, or commuters etc as in a variety show anywhere.

- Communal singing, which again is best if you know the songs, but the fun is contagious, and even hardened party poopers will join in.

Each town has its Elferrat - Council of Eleven. These chaps are usually sat at the back of the stage along a long table in their jaunty jackets and ridiculous hats.

In fact the number eleven is very significant throughout. Possibly representing the apostles minus Judas Iscariot but that is just a theory of mine.

The whole thing starts at 11:11 on the 11th November.
All subsequent events start at 11 minutes past the hour (the parade in our town starts today at 14:11h).
Eleventh anniversaries and multiples thereof are celebrated rather than "round" numbers.

On Ash Wednesday, people get together for lunch of salted herrings and potato salad as a hangover cure.

Traditionally, the sombre days of Kent then follow, starting with mass on the Wednesday evening where the repentant sinners receive the ash cross on their forehead.

I could go on, but those are the main points at least in this part of the world.

MartavTaurus Sat 14-Feb-26 10:47:08

MartavTaurus

m.youtube.com/watch?v=DIDKEqOH3n0

Sorry, I forgot to write anything.
This is a travel video, not dodgy!

Kate1949 Sat 14-Feb-26 10:32:04

Syracute and Nannee I'll show him your posts! I don't think he'll be convinced. He says 'Im 80 next month. I'm not going anywhere cold.'. Still, how lucky am I to have been to that magical place at all?

RosiesMawagain Sat 14-Feb-26 09:54:02

One of my nieces is Brazilian, living in Rio.
Carnival in Rio sounds to be out of this world!

MartavTaurus Sat 14-Feb-26 09:46:47

m.youtube.com/watch?v=DIDKEqOH3n0

Riversidegirl Sat 14-Feb-26 09:43:22

Went to Nice and Menton once. All flashing lights at Nice and poured with rain at Menton. But seemed good otherwise!

Aveline Sat 14-Feb-26 09:42:27

Roman Catholic pre lent festivities.

JackyB Sat 14-Feb-26 09:34:13

Has anyone ever been to Brazil for the festivities there?