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whitewave Sat 20-Jun-15 18:52:18

I have just watched "In conversation with Ken Loach" Do watch it if you are interested in someone who is left wing and a director. Remember "Cathy come Home"? It made a huge impression on me at the time, and there are a number of films that are clearly worth watching.

But most of all listen to what he has to say about censorship, Thatcher and this government.

Tegan Sat 20-Jun-15 19:43:25

Yes, I watched it last week but shot off on holiday afterwards so didn't have time to mention it. He did give a talk at our cinema a couple of years ago. Interesting that he said that some of the stuff he filmed years ago is still censored. The short clip from Cathy Come Home confirmed that fact that it was filmed in the streets where I grew up, as I saw the name 'Prescott Street' in the background.

whitewave Sat 20-Jun-15 19:45:53

I didn't know about the Irish thing either so will make a point of seeing that film. None of his films make easy viewing it seems to me, and if you are cross before you will be after!!

janeainsworth Sat 20-Jun-15 20:15:56

I'm not of 'a left-wing persuasion' but I would like to think I'm sufficiently open-minded and intelligent to watch and enjoy a programme about Ken Loach confused

Tegan Sat 20-Jun-15 20:18:13

I bought it for the S.O. years ago but never got to watch it; annoyingly he's lost it so I'll have to buy it again. Ken Loach is a man that [almost] makes you stop despairing of humanity. I think it needs to be mentioned that Cillian Murphy [sigh] blushwas doing the inerviewing!

Marelli Sat 20-Jun-15 20:22:20

Which channel was it on? I'd like to see if I can get it on 'catch-up' if possible.

Ana Sat 20-Jun-15 20:29:42

janea, that's what I thought too but thought I'd better not push my luck...hmm

Tegan Sat 20-Jun-15 20:50:02

It was on BBC4. It would be good if as many people as possible could watch it and discuss it's content.

jinglbellsfrocks Sat 20-Jun-15 22:15:28

I remember crying at Cathy come home. I think I was still a "leftie" then. I don't think I will search this programme out though.

Penstemmon Sat 20-Jun-15 22:34:11

I am a 'self-confessed' leftie & Ken Loach fan! grin Will catch up with the progamme.Thanks for the info.

durhamjen Sat 20-Jun-15 22:57:47

You can just pretend for an hour, or even watch it and not tell us!

Marelli Sat 20-Jun-15 23:25:14

Thank you, Tegan. I remember Cathy Come Home so well. It must've been about 1969? At the time, I was living in a very poor part of Nottingham. The streets and houses were similar, and come to think of it, my life wasn't that much different to Cathy's then.

merlotgran Sat 20-Jun-15 23:25:41

So is this an 'only lefties have hearts' programme? hmm

durhamjen Sun 21-Jun-15 00:07:51

It might make uncomfortable viewing for right-wingers.
One of the things I noticed he said was, "At some point we have to say no more".
One of the tabs at the top of my screen is the Guardian article about the anti-austerity march. The title is "People have finally had enough."

The Wind that Shakes the Barley was a brilliant film. It told many people a lot of things they never knew about Ireland.

It was good to see a discussion between two perceptive people who really like each other in front of a receptive audience.

janeainsworth Sun 21-Jun-15 00:32:34

Are you saying right-wingers need to be protected from anything that might make them feel uncomfortable jen?

What makes me feel uncomfortable is that whitewave seems to think it's ok to start a thread on Gransnet that some members shouldn't read.

absent Sun 21-Jun-15 07:27:56

To be fair, janeainsworth, whitewave didn't say shouldn't, but implied that they didn't need to. Not quite the same thing and probably meant as a warning that committed right-wingers might feel, once again, that they are being attacked when the OP was about the views of a particular film director, not a general political comment.

Joan Sun 21-Jun-15 07:39:13

I would have loved to have heard Ken Loach. Never mind - I live in Australia. Political discussion isn't big here - they only dare talk about sport or soapies in some circles. But at my last job the boss and I always discussed politics. He was of German Jewish origin and had arrived here in 1938 as a small child,

I often volunteer with the Labour Party at election time, and at the polling booths we hand out 'how to vote' cards alongside Tories and Greens. We all get on really well, share sandwiches and drinks, and have a laugh about all the politicians we are helping.

Just one lot refused to fraternise, and insisted on talking politics, and this was Pauline Hanson's One Nation party. They were a sort of BNP/ FN bunch of idiots., right wing and racist. They imploded in the end.

As I've mentioned before, we used to live a few doors down from the Ossett Conservative Club, and a Tory friend used to call for us on his way there and insist on buying us a drink there. Her introduced us as his socialist friends, and other members bought us all drinks too.

It can be fun, fraternising with the opposition.

Teetime Sun 21-Jun-15 09:33:31

I didn't see this programme although I did watch Cathy Come Home several times and rewatched it whilst doing an OU Social Science degree in the 80s which as one might expect helped to embed my socialistic beliefs.

On another but not unconnected note my MIL is high Tory and nearly died of shock when her son bought me home - she hasn't got over it yet 37 years later. grin

whitewave Sun 21-Jun-15 10:00:36

absent absolutely! I was simply trying to avoid the right wingers feeling that they were being attacked as they put it, so tried to avoid this scenario by suggesting that they might like to leave watching the programme. I was not saying that they shouldn't. That would have been utterly idiotic.

To get back to the programme however, there was so much content of worth that I find it difficult to start, but one or two things to start with- I found his comment with regard to the political leaders interesting, has anyone read anything about this?

The censorship of his 4 programmes about the unions puts to bed firmly that we live in a country where freedom of speech is valued.

whitewave Sun 21-Jun-15 10:09:00

Oh good grief! I meant his comment with regard to the Union leaders, and how they were complicit in the rules introduced by Thatcher. Also whether the same may happen this time around.

Tegan Sun 21-Jun-15 12:13:08

Anything that critiscises Margaret Thatcher seems to be regarded as some sort of socialist propoganda sad. The S.O. [Lib/Dem] worked in a lot of mining areas round about the time of the miners strike and what he saw with his own eyes and what he saw on the news at the time was completely different and puzzles/annoys him to this day.

trisher Sun 21-Jun-15 12:14:17

Thanks for the post whitewave- just watched it on catch up. Fascinating and informative interview. I liked his approach and the way he discussed things so calmly. I also like the fact that he could criticise what would be regarded as his "side", that he acknowledged the left didn't always get things right. His criticism of union leaders sounds about right (although I didn't know much about it before). The play he refers to as being banned is interesting- discussion about this here-
I wonder if there are any directors who will bring their political beliefs to their work any more.

jinglbellsfrocks Sun 21-Jun-15 13:10:01

Just sat through it (having been abandoned by all due to me being under the weather (the buggers) hmm. Really boring. So backward looking. Not for me thank you.

janeainsworth Sun 21-Jun-15 13:35:53

absent and whitewave I don't see that starting a thread about an interview can possibly be construed as an 'attack' on anyone.
I wouldn't describe myself as a committed right winger any more than being of a left wing persuasion, but I think that using thread titles that imply that certain groups might not want to read certain threads, and needn't do so, is likely to reinforce divisions on Gransnet rather than heal them.

I'd just like to decide for myself what threads to read, thank you.
I never read anything about about pets, but no-one has ever posted a thread which includes the words 'only dog-owners need read'.

Tegan Sun 21-Jun-15 13:58:24

We can't understand the present if we don't look back and understand the past. We have to be backward looking sometimes; what if it had been decided that, say Hillsborough was something that just happened in the past and everyone just needed to move on from it?