Happy Valley Series 2

this helps

(Darryl was the farmer lad. Of course. )

Didn't find any reference to him jings but apparently he's someone who featured more in the first series I don't actually remember seeing him in this series but I guess I must of missed it. He was the father of a girl who was kidnapped in the first series. still a bit

Thanks, jingls. So it's not just me who thinks Farmer Woman could have shot herself!

Just watched it.

I'm sticking with the farm lad as the murderer as I had intimated I thought it was him previously.

I still think that Ann will find out the truth behind the detective , there was no show of them 'getting together' this week , keeping it for next episode. Or Clare's boyfriend tells the truth that he was blackmailed by nude photos like she did to Downtown Abbey.

I hope Catherine is asleep in the conservatory when the obvious molatoff cocktail gets chucked and she chucks the little irish pip squeak in there while Catherine gets the family out of the house.

Horrid aren't I.

POGS he stood Ann up last week - she mentioned it to Daniel in the latest episode.

I agree with you that Daryl murdered the prostitutes, and there's no way his mum could have shot herself with that shotgun unless it was in the foot...

PS I think Creepy Woman is actually Scottish!

Ana there is a possibility that she put the gun in her mouth!!!

She's from Linlithgow.

I need to get out more

Daryl was Pythagoras in Atlantic.And I bet he's not the murderer,

Charleygirl - that gun had a very long barrel...

Unless she put the gun in her mouth and pulled the trigger with her toe!

I'm with the Daryl is the murderer and his mum shot him gang. He said he'd done bad things and there were so many indications that his mum was worried he'd been up to no good. He also told his mum that the police now had his DNA because of the awful incident when he lost it and attacked the bullies. (I mean the bullies were awful, not D for retaliating) We mother's tend to recognise our children's frailties and my view is that tough sheep farming woman knew the extent of her son's vulnerabilities. As someone said up thread, it was reminiscent of the final scene in Mice and Men.

As for John (policeman/murderer) Catherine Kelly's character is certain the murder of Vicky wasn't done by the person who murdered the 3 prostitutes. She's talked about Vicky's murderer being forensically aware. John is losing it increasingly. I wonder if he'll attack his wife and end up being arrested when his children/wife phone for help. The way he called her a whore etc in the week before this's episode was absolutely terrifying.

As for the creepy TA - how scary is she and how good is the young boy playing Ryan. Yes, Catherine sleeping in the conservatory has to have more meaning than we've seen yet.

I do not want Catherine to barge into school and bash the TA, much as I'm sure she wants to. She's teetering on the edge, given the anniversary of her daughter's death and is reacting rather than responding. Keep calm Catherine

Or she shot herself in the toe hoping her steel toe caps sent the bullet flying north.

Is he the young police woman's dad? A big shot in the police himself?
Yes. Ann the PCSO's dad - featured more in the last series when Ann was kidnapped by Tommy Lee
He is not in the police force, he owns a local business which was also featured a lot in the last series.
Catherine's sister is friendly with them.

Ana there is a possibility that she put the gun in her mouth!!!
She would have to have very long arms

that tough sheep farming woman knew the extent of her son's vulnerabilities
that's just it, though, he is vulnerable rather than a psychopath.
He probably thought that having sex was a bad thing that he did to the women.
I don't want it to be him (even though he is dead) - or possibly not!!

But he did go a bit mad with the lump hammer, he drank a lot and one or two of us spotted the rope in the boot of his car. I honestly don't think the writer (the wonderful Sally Wainwright) would have delivered such a bleak ending to this week's episode without it being true.

And there are so many other loose ends to tie up next week in the space of an hour, never mind the probably arson attack!

probable

Oh, I missed the drinking
and the rope
I am slipping, will get the sack

If Sarah Lancashire isn't going to do another series maybe she will die and young police woman and Catherine Kelly detective will be the ones to catch everyone and go into next series.

If Daryl was the murderer (but I still have serious doubts) then there was a clue in the first? episode with the mutilation of the sheep; practising on the sheep first perhaps? Although I can't remember the type of injury perpetrated on the sheep.

Beyond reasonable doubt? a long way to go yet . An ambiguous confession to his mother and a bit of rope, a bump on his car.

jalima I agree with you about Daryl. It's a long way from reasonable doubt. Thinking about the mutilated sheep-could it be possible that Daryl had done something to the sheep and thought his mother was referring to the sheep being hurt and not the girls? The sheep incident DID seem to be a bit random; maybe a clue there somewhere?

On the point of Catherine, I don't think I could take any more of her character. She's interesting, but a bit...I dunno...all over the place? I'm beginning to wonder if, in fact, TLR is Ryan's dad after all. Catherine seems to be in no doubt, but what evidence is there? Have tests been done? Why is Catherine so willing to embrace TLR as Ryan's dad when/if there is no firm evidence? Anyone could potentially be the dad. We've been led to believe that Becky was raped, and subsequently hanged herself through guilt, or shame, or something else. Perhaps there's more to it than that.

I'm still wondering about the trafficked girls, the Knezevics (?) and the hanged/murdered man. I can understand the point of the girls, I think, but I can't yet see the point of the hanged man's murder. If there is a point.

There are so many loose ends to tie up. I can't wait for the last episode - and yet I've enjoyed it so much I don't want it to end. My DS's house and car has been in shot three times during the series (they were filming next door but one to him for weeks) and one big question for me is - when is he going to get that hedge cut?

I'd love to do a Happy Valley tour of the area. If they can do it for Gavin and Stacey, I'm sure they can do one for this

I love Sarah Lancashire.
Really hope the last episode is satisfying in its winding up.