Happy Valley Series 2

Elrel I agree, how did he manage to look so handsome in War And Peace?
I think it was the hair and the very 'still' expression.

What motive would any of them have?

Oh I think son did the prostitutes but he will have an alibi for the other one- remember he was injured/in custody -something. I love this programme except for the fact that I don't know where the teaching assistant gets all her money from. They are really poorly paid but she manages to use trains to London and to buy expensive Scaletrix. Mmm unlikely! Still it is entertaining!

Mm...interesting. My money's been on Nevison, too, but I don't really know why. Maybe he's just too goody-goody. I'm also uncomfortable with his relationship with Catherine-he's been involved in a kidnap after all and I reckon Catherine should keep her distance. And, as Sean(?) has been cleared of the murders and there's evidence of one of the girls in the white van, perhaps Nevison had access to it as his previous employer? Or perhaps John fitted Sean up with evidence whilst the van was in custody.

Also, I'm not sure that Farmer Woman has shot Farmer Son. We only heard a shot. She may have shot herself.

I think there's more to come from John. We know he's capable of murder, so why isn't he the culprit? We know that it's someone whose dna is not yet matched to the perpetrator. In fact, the Inspector stated that there was very little dna evidence left at the scene. John would know how to minimise evidence, being a detective.

I'm wondering about the trafficked girls and what they have to do with the storyline. I think it's partly to ensure that Catherine is still sleeping in the conservatory so, if Creepy Girlfriend comes by with her petrol bomb, she may be on hand quickly? I dunno.

I don't see the point of Anne. Unless of course, she's the killer!

I did half expect to hear another gunshot after the first one, gettingonabit, but I don't think Mother would have shot herself, she's been portrayed as a strong character and wouldn't do that to her son.

I think it's the farmer boy wot dunnit because that will take care of the prostitute murders then something will link Moseley to whatever his bit on the side was called. There's only one episode left and there has to be time to devote most of it to whatever the loony TA has got planned.

If Catherine goes to the school she will recognise her straight away from the funeral and then she'll snap her in half

There's also the boy's letter to his dad to have some impact as well.

As you see, I can't remember any of their names.

Caatherine's sister's already identified TA as being the person who bought the Scalextric for Ryan so she's already on the warpath!

That poor little boy, caught in the middle of such a family mess...

Yes. I think the glasses woman's plan for the family (except Ryan) might be pretty big. Think pubs going up in flames and smoke in the soaps!

Can you tell I'm getting excited?

I think the house will go up in flames but who will be killed? The obvious person is the boyfriend because he's expendable, but they could spring a surprise and kill off one of the main characters. Any way you look at it that family has had more than its share of tragedy and trauma. It might be the sister.

Well, I don't know about anyone else, but the sound quality was so bad in the scenes between the Farmers that I didn't exactly hear what was said. So, what WAS said, exactly? Did the son admit to the killing of the prostitutes?

What motive would Ann's dad have? My money's been on Nevison, too, but I don't really know why
gettingonabit it isn't just me then!!
Referring to the farmer: No, I don't think the son said he actually killed them I think he said 'what I did to those women'. Perhaps someone else will remember more.

Perhaps Nevison was using prostitutes when his sainted wife was ill.
He was under extreme stress with his wife so ill and his daughter kidnapped
He despised himself for going to prostitutes and felt guilty
He used them again after his wife died, was filled with hatred for what he was doing and killed them because they were not his beloved wife and were still alive when she had died.
He would have had access to the van (wasn't it his employee Sean who got arrested?)

George Costigan has played a baddie before, hasn't he? Rather scary looking!! (is that a good enough reason?)

I think the house will go up in flames
Well, it needs re-decorating anyway
As long as everyone is safe

I think the farmer virtually admitted it, and his mum seemed to have worked it out anyway. He wasn't confused or stressed like Sean was when questioned, he was just hoping his mum would sort it.

If it was Ann's dad it would take most of the last episode to find that out and explain it, and I think there's going to be too much other stuff going on!

jalima I've watched last night's again (saddo that I am) and, to me, it does NOT appear that Daryl is confessing to the murders, as such. I believe, though, that he is connected to the final murder, and knows that his car -or a red car like his-has been seen by a witness in the area at the time of the latest murder. The police have his dna from the attack he made on the thugs who were taunting him earlier in the series. However, I don't think we've been told what the modus operandi of the final murder was (I may have missed this).

On reflection, I don't think it would be possible for the mother to shoot herself with that rifle. I think there's more to the shooting than meets the eye, though. I loved the (rather subtle) blood spatter on the window at the end too.

I was wondering about the van too, jalima. Nevison would have had access to it, presumably, while Sean was in his employ. The police would've too, of course, during their search for dna. So John may have planted evidence; is it possible that another officer eg Anne, could also have done so?

And what is it about Nevison and Anne that's unsettling? Is it the saintly, mourned wife, the fact that Anne had a drink problem? Something's definitely not right! And the relationship he has with Catherine is definitely unhealthy; I think she's foolish to encourage it, from a professional point of view. I like your theory about a possible motive! I can't see much point to Anne, or Nevison, really, in the second series if they're nothing to do with the plot.

And Neil! He's been blackmailed by one of the victims, he won't go to the police, he's capable of uncontrollable rages and he's afraid of Catherine. Very odd. DD has a theory about his working in the supermarket; that he's somehow linked to the "biscuit factory", and the trafficked girls. There must be a point to the girls, the murder of tasered bloke and the mentioning if the Knevevics (?) at regular intervals.

There's a lot to be crammed into the final episode; can't wait!

I think a lot of those points you've raised are red herrings, gettingonabit - and don't forget they've still got to connect John (Molesley) with the Vicky Fleming murder.

Daryl (if that's what his name was) definitely referred to what he did to 'those women', not just one.

Anyway, we shall see! Wish the series could have been longer.

ana I'm surprised that John hasn't yet been connected to Vicky's murder. He had her number, and couldn't really explain why. Also, surely Vicky's phone records would have shown activity between the two of them. No-one has mentioned this (unless I've missed something again).

I was also surprised at the length of time it took to join the dots between Ryan, the Scalextric, TLR and Creepy Girlfriend.

I'm hoping that Daryl didn't commit the murders-I want there to be more to the ending than simply that! If he has indeed been shot by his mother, he can't even stand trial. Boo.

I'm hoping for a massive, unexpected twist!

I too think that we can't asume that the mother has shot her son, all we heard was a gunshot, it maybe that the son turned around and somehow got the gun and shot his mother.

Maybe I should nip to Hebden Bridge (only 30 mins form me) and run back with any info !

I may be wrong, but I'm sure in the back of my mind I heard that Catherine(Sarah Lancashire) wasn't making another series ! but I could be wrong.

Also anyone that watches on "catchup" they are rushing a paper though to close the loophole to watch for free. This is to stop people who don't have tvs and use catch up as a tv but no licence, they are aiming to charge people for watching catch up tv. Grrrrrrrrrr............

Claire will be at Neil's, Ryan will be having a sleepover, not sure about Daniel, where he will be, Ann will be upstairs sleeping off another hangover and Catherine will be in the conservatory when the house is petrol-bombed.

Merlot I see your point but there was info showing underneath that thread title when I was just scrolling down the list of threads.

Watching it (Christ knows why,because I don't like anyone in it except the sister) and looking at it with my logical head,no Daryl did not say anything about murder.

Using my logical head I don't think it was Daryl (?) wot dun it:

I don't think he had enough hatred in him , or perversion, to murder and mutilate the women
He doesn't look like a drinker (therefore no handy bottles).
Saying 'what I did to those women' is another red herring

It could be Neil, but my money's on Nevison.
John will be linked to Vicky by some means or another (phone? Intuition of Katherine Kelly? followed by CCTV and DNA)

You don't have to like them, Marmark

I never thought of whether I like them or not, (the little boy is lovely), it's a case to solve! Or more, in fact

Sorry but who is Nevison?

I was wondering that Charleygirl maybe we both missed something

Is he the young police woman's dad? A big shot in the police himself? Or was that another programme?

Remind me who Darryl is?