Prince Charles

Lancslass, I don’t know if there were pram seats 70 years ago

Anniebach the reason I mentioned the pram was that I don't think any child of two years of age was still in a big pram like that.
If you look at the photo he looks too big for the pram.
On Prince Chales' 2nd birthday Anne would have been about two months old.
Did they share the pram?
Did they have two prams?
Why wasn't he sitting like my elder child did if I took the baby out in the pram ,on a pram seat on the top facing the pram pusher.?
Ah well,I will never know the answer.

How many months was the Queen away, and that's the best she could muster.....anyway, that's not my concern. A few 'regular' Gransnetters really do spoil the enjoyment by some of their comments just because someone has a different opinion. Gransnet could do with 'marshalling' these comments a bit more in an attempt to make it more lighthearted. Waiting for the flack

Yes, I am a confirmed member. Diana is dead and was never going to be Christ's representative on earth! I most certainly don't condone Diana's affairs. I do think that she perhaps went into the marriage expecting a more romantic setup than she got but there is nothing to say that would have kept her happy either. She was obviously a very damaged, emotionally immature young lady... no doubt courtesy of her parents' bad choices.

If you are a member of the Church of England * icanhandthemback* i can understand why you feel as you do, as a member of The Church in Wales I too do not approve of adultery but I value the marriage vows more and they both broke those vows. I am not defending adultery, I am discussing the reasons for their adultery. I assume you like me cannot condon Diana’s affairs with several married men ,I can understand she had a need for men .

Christ is the Head of the Church yes?

None of us truly went on in the marriage or what sort of people they are/were but both Camilla and Charles committed adultery and put their children in an embarrassing position. When you take on the role of the Sovereign in this country, you take on the role as Head of the Church of England. I just don't see how you can defend the hypocrisy of that no matter how hard done by Charles was by his wife. He knew as he committed that adultery just what his future role would be and yet that didn't stop him. I don't care if he's King half as much as him being Head of the Church.

Give up, sparklefizz. I have.?

Anniebach There's no reasoning with you because I notice you always have to have the last word, you nit-pick and you think you have superior knowledge.

It may be that I have much more experience of what Diana went through than you. It may not, of course, as I don't know your life, but by the same token, you don't know mine. You also don't know my background so you have no idea what understanding I may have of dysfunctional families, childhood wounds, etc.

Yesterday you accused me of lying, today you accuse me of wanting "the fairytale of the poor little abused girl and the wicked husband" and that I "refuse to accept the facts". Not sure what facts you think I'm refusing to accept, Annie. I see two damaged people not a fairytale.

As far as your dig concerning whether I read books, I run 2 book groups, so that answers your query. I read probably 3 books a week, maybe more.

Sorry, forgot to add, it is cruel that a little girl knows she is a great disappointment to her father because she wasn’t a boy and her mother was blamed for having a third daughter not a son.

I don’t believe the ‘little mother who took care of a baby ‘ when thry had nannies

Sparklefizz I was not being cruel , you want the fairytale of the poor little abused girl and the wicked husband , you refuse to accept facts.

If you were on a three week honeymoon cruise on a yacht would you complain if your husband read a book ? If I was stuck on a yacht for three weeks I would certaintly want to read books. Perhaps you wouldn’t but I am curious as to what you would do ?

sparklefizz, Camilla married her first husband when she was 26, so younger than that when she was first with Charles, no way do I see a 24 year old Camilla looking anything like Mabel Anderson.

gilly not superior knowledge, just think things through without rose tinted specs. I admit I do know some facts though.

"^no human being could have given Diana what she wanted , 24 hour attention, oh with the exception of Burrell^"

Annie you say such cruel things about people you have fixed opinions about.

Whatever you may think about Diana, can you not understand the deep wound she carried due to the loss of her mother when she was only 6? Her little brother was 4 and he has said himself that she became a little mother to him when he cried every night.

Still in a coach pram in 1950!!
Me too! I have the photo.

Lanclsass. It does seem strange but it was nearly 70 yesrs ago and security had to be considered. Kate was photographed recently pushing the baby in the old Windsor pram.

Annie You say you see no resemblance between Mabel Anderson (Charles' nanny) and Camilla. This photo shows the similarity between the two of them, taken from the book "Why you love who you love" written by a portrait artist who is used to studying the symmetry of people's faces and their similarities.

RF not RH!!

Goodness there are so many people on here who seem to know SO much about the private lives of the royal family!! For certain that marriage was sadly a disaster for both Diana and Charles. Yes, there probably was family manipulations particularly bearing in mind the memory of Mrs Simpson and that near disaster for the R.H! But the personal conversations between two adult people being blazed across every news outlet in the world was quite disgraceful. What is more disgraceful is that Charles is STILL being judged by that private conversation to this very day!!! It's just not anybody's business on here or anywhere else and shouldn't even be brought up! Whether the Queen did or didn't greet Charles appropriately after a foreign visit 66 years ago!!! Still in a coach pram in 1950!! FHS, attitudes were SO different then as to be completely inequitable with today 55+ years later!!
I think that he and Camilla make a brilliant twosome, relaxed, happy and comfortable in each others company, and together they'll do a splendid job time come! ? Can't we just leave it at that?!

Don’t forget they all knew each other & the family dynamics for years, he use to date her her sister.

*How to you know she did Gilly?^

Well she certainly seemed to love him at the start Annie but I bow to your superior knowledge on all things royal family related Annie .

Some posters are saying William is too young and immature for the role of King. Well, he's not going to be king for many years yet, barring a tragedy happening. However, let's remember that Elizabeth was a lot younger than William is now when she became Queen. So, by your philosophy, does this mean that you think she was too young to take on the role when she did?

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I think they did - at first - until reality set in

Thanks for pointing me in the direction of the Nabel Anderson article,Anniebach.
What struck me most about it was the fact that Prince Charles was in a coach built pram at the age of two years.!
By that age my children were in push chairs (not the great buggies that we see now but small easily folded ones that didn't take a lot of room up when travelling on buses.)
Mainly though they were running around ,,though I have a feeling I had some reins so they didn't run away.

How do you know she did Gilly ?

How do you know she didn't love her husband Annie ? Seriously?

No Gilly, to be given 24 hour a day attention , she didn’t love her husband , she loved her title and certaintly worked to win it.