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grannyticktock Thu 16-May-19 21:59:47

Anyone else watching this BBC drama? I've just caught up on the first episode, broadcast on Tuesday. Wow, it certainly held my interest! There was far too much going on really, it was quite insane, but not too difficult to follow, and there's a very strong cast. I was totally gripped by the shock ending of this first epi, can't wait till the next!

crazyH Thu 16-May-19 22:04:29

No grannyticktock, I haven't ... sounds good, don't know how I missed it

GrandmaKT Thu 16-May-19 22:11:54

Just this minute finished watching it on iplayer. As you say, it's full-on! Riveting.

Telly Thu 16-May-19 22:47:44

Thought it was really good, quite innovative which is what you would expect. I am going to make sure I see the remaining episodes. Unlike the virtues, which I had to stop ......

Pittcity Thu 16-May-19 23:19:08

So close to the truth though....

Maggiemaybe Tue 21-May-19 20:02:35

We just caught up with episode 1 yesterday, and will definitely be watching the rest. Russell T Davies certainly has his finger on the pulse and I found it uncomfortably plausible. The Vivienne Rook character is chilling.

mcem Tue 21-May-19 20:16:42

Spot on maggiemaybe - uncomfortably plausible!
If you are "enjoying" this theme, I suggest tuning in to R4 on BBC iPlayer where there is an intriguing drama called First World Problems

Flossieturner Tue 21-May-19 22:08:56

I really enjoyed it too

maryeliza54 Tue 21-May-19 22:49:05

‘Uncomfortably plausible’ what an excellent phrase. Even more so after tonight’s episode - the scenes outside the bank and the election of Viv😱😱

BlueBelle Wed 22-May-19 08:00:40

Didn’t like it at all thought the acting was poor and the storyline although probably close to the truth had bits in it I found off putting the sex robot the silly girl wanting to be digitalised or whatever the term is, yes not for me

Teetime Wed 22-May-19 08:41:38

Its very odd and disquieting - our Emma is scary! I shall watch on.

J52 Wed 22-May-19 08:59:25

I quite enjoyed it. I did find it odd that the cars of the future were pretty much the same models as today, not all electric.
Is this an indication of something or lazy continuity?

Flossieturner Wed 22-May-19 15:28:36

I thought the same thing about the cars. When he stopped to give the neighbour a lift, I expected the door to open automatically

grannyticktock Wed 22-May-19 17:58:53

I suppose it would very expensive and complicated to produce real cars that looked different from anything we use now. In a big-budget film, they'd use computer animated graphics or something, but this is TV drama, so there's only so much they can do. I must say I'm really enjoying all the weird new technology stuff they're using, even though some of it is crazy.

Namsnanny Fri 24-May-19 00:32:05

I like it.....sort of!

I like Rory Kinnear, and Anne Reid especially. I like the convention of using a family to examine the politics and mores of the near future.
I actually like the idea that the same arguments surrounding transgender operations today, are being applied to the daughter who wants to do the same thing (change her body to suit who she feels she is).

I find the possibility of that progression interesting.

The sex robot thing, well that is going to happen. Again its just a progression from sex dolls.

The most unrealistic for me was there was no sign of 'big brother'.
Our phones can be switched on to monitor our conversations and movements by others now, so wouldn't all the tech innovations in the home be transmitting info back to a 'cloud' or information gathering centre, for what ever reason in the future?

I don't like the childish adult children.
Or the hand operated wheel chair, surely technology would have improved on that?

Overall its engaging.

Grandma2213 Fri 24-May-19 01:33:41

I can't wait to see how this develops and it is indeed very plausible. mcem I have also found 'First World Problems' compelling listening.

I must admit that although I find new technology amazing, especially in the medical world I am glad I am nearer the end of my life. I do worry for my DGC though and that virtual face screen seemed to me to be a real and frightening possibility.

Franbern Fri 24-May-19 11:05:51

Think the Vivienne Rook character is the most frightening part of this. So much based on current male 'politicians' !!!
With the second episode we are still only six years into the future, so comments here about cars and wheelchairs are not really relevant. How much will these have changed in that short period of time?
The fact that a nuclear bomb was used in a trade war is also very frightening, such trade wars are taking place at this moment, and perhaps it is only the fact that Trump is still seeking re-election that is stopping him using one. This play shows him using it just before the end of his second term!!! He had nothing to lose then!!!
I did find the 'trans' thing quite funny - and probably very enlightening. Parents were so very supportive and helpful when they thought daughter was telling them she was transexual - totally taken aback and not sure what to say/do when it turned our to be transrobot.
Do wonder where it will go....... perhaps it should be an ongoing drama as a warning to us all of what could so easily happen.
Non action by good people allow evil people to have control

Namsnanny Fri 24-May-19 13:56:00

Franbern...I take on board your comments.
I actually think it’s more likely for China to launch a missile than USA.
They’re in a mess financially and I could see them escalating to the point of launching an attack on the Japanese 1st.
But back to the program...I can’t see Emma Thompson any more as her political stance has obscured her acting career for me. She could be playing Nanny McGee and all I’d see was her ‘woke’ dungarees grin

Franbern Sat 25-May-19 09:12:20

Namsnanny, are you saying that anyone who has as their career acting, is not permitted to have political views that they also act on?
Is this the only career in which this should not be permitted? or is there a list. Doctors, lawyers, Politicians?
Have great admiration for the fact that she stood up to be counted on something she feels strongly about. More power to her!!

Namsnanny Fri 31-May-19 15:12:52

Franbern....don’t cloud my points with your judgements please.
I simply mean (for clarification) that her acting isn’t Convincing enough to allow me to see the character she is supposed to be portraying, over and above her personality!!!
Nothing whatsoever to do with your comments!!

travelsafar Wed 05-Jun-19 12:58:05

Sad ending in last nights episode. sad

Calendargirl Fri 07-Jun-19 15:02:31

I agree travelsafar. Wonder what next episode will bring.

varian Thu 13-Jun-19 19:07:23

"What might Britain and the world be like in about a decade’s time? According to Years and Years (BBC1), Russell T Davies’s thoughtful drama about the near future, it will be a grim, dangerous and, frankly, genocidal place. We’ve arrived at 2028, and because of climate change, Britain is suffering 60 days and nights of rain and floods. This, plus extensive coastal erosion, prompts mass evacuations and internal migrations, and the government passes emergency laws to force homeowners to take in displaced strangers. This is on top of a never-ending flow of refugees from upheavals and revolutions in Europe, and civil war in Ukraine.

Council estates become involuntary “gated” communities – to keep the residents penned in, rather than people locked out; there are energy shortages and blackouts; cyber-attacks and a “digital crash” to add to the global banking crash. The instability of the internet grows so severe that the country has to go back to paper – a strange, comical phenomenon to the kids of tomorrow’s world. The adolescents of the late 2020s prefer to have the government implant a computer wafer into their brains, leaving them half-human, half-iPad, and 100 per cent the property of His Majesty’s Government.

Bad as all that is, there are dark rumours about “the disappeared” - homeless people who go off to be resettled somewhere, never to be seen again…perhaps many thousands of them.

In this penultimate episode, events start to move more quickly, which makes for a very welcome change in pace. Now it is more like a political thriller, moving on from an often somewhat tortuous story of inner emotions.

The fortunes of the extended Lyons family finally start to mesh with Britain’s new prime minister – Vivienne “Viv” Rook (Emma Thompson), businesswoman turned politician and creator of her very own populist movement, the Four Star Party, so-called because she makes great play about using the kind of earthy language “ordinary people” use in the pub.

Rook wins power in a general election by stirring up a sort of dumbass, misguided sub-Churchillian patriotism: “Britain stands alone in the world. To the west, America is a lone wolf. To the east, Europe is in flames, and beyond that China is rising. In standing alone this country has never been more magnificent.”

Scary stuff and much of it within the bounds of possiblity if we don't wake up and STOP BREXIT.

Flossieturner Thu 13-Jun-19 20:23:23

I think this has been very well done. With recent events, none of it seems impossible. They have even got the rai right

Labaik Sat 15-Jun-19 11:01:27

Having binge watched Killing Eve I started on this last night. Three episodes in and I'm not sure that I can continue to watch it as I find it far too close to what's actually happening and I watch box sets to escape reality. Strange thing about the BBC is that although I find their current affairs programmes totally pro Brexit, their dramas are the complete opposite [Summer of Rockets made me think of the ERG...]...It is very good, though so I may persevere...

Anja Tue 18-Jun-19 10:07:07

Last episode tonight. Loving and hating this at the same time.

Yes, our children’s future posdibly ... already disquiet about the government’s spying into our privacy online.

lemongrove Tue 18-Jun-19 10:12:44

It’s a drama....a good one as he is a good writer, but nevertheless a made up bit of drama.
Summer of Rockets was also very good but dealing with real historic events.

trisher Tue 18-Jun-19 10:23:24

It may be a drama but it manages to tap into many of the things that can and do happen already besides the things that might happen. The discussion about concentration camps was fascinating. After all we have no real knowledge about what we did to the Boers in the Boer war, so perhaps our great grandchildren will not know about WW2 concentration camps and as Viv Rooke said concentration just means a lot of something in one place. I think it has its faults and the family is very much a construct used to tell a range of stories but it has some concept of possible reality

GracesGranMK3 Tue 18-Jun-19 13:38:06

If you can enjoy something that frightens you with it's possibilities then yes, I am enjoying it. It is both well written and well acted and plays out possibilities well.

It will be interesting to see where they go with the concentration camps. The "disappeared" is something we have heard of in others countries during our lives so obviously possible if the circumstances are right.

GracesGranMK3 Tue 18-Jun-19 13:40:52

Lemongrove, it is indeed a drama but one based on the premise of our current reality. That's how most people work out what not to do - by using a bit of imagination as to where it may take you.

lemongrove Tue 18-Jun-19 13:46:16

Or....a lot of imagination.
A drama could be made now of China going to war with near neighbours, the US and Iran showering each other with nuclear missiles, N Korea doing God knows what, ditto Russia ( poisoning the Queen?) but it would be drama still.
In short, anything could happen but that doesn’t mean that it will.

GracesGranMK3 Tue 18-Jun-19 23:06:27

So exactly what does that prove Lemongrove? That we should never look at what scenarios might follow certain actions? Where is this conversation meant to be going?

I was liked the direction of tonight's episode (being careful with the spoilers) but I think the series would have been better if it were spread over more episodes so we could get more feeling of everything changing over time.

Eloethan Wed 19-Jun-19 00:06:02

It was very well acted, a gripping plot and well drawn characters - particularly Anne Reid I thought. But it was very upsetting and scary too.

Opalsusanna1 Wed 19-Jun-19 00:51:02

Hello Vivienne/Boris. Same hair.

GrandmaKT Wed 19-Jun-19 08:21:20

I think the brief shot of the clown-like politician with the spinning bow tie at the very end was an allusion to Boris. The Viv character was obviously Farage.

mcem Wed 19-Jun-19 08:30:59

Had enjoyed this until last night. Technology's creeping takeover was threatening and almost feasible until it took over and became ott science fiction ( a genre I have never appreciated!)

GracesGranMK3 Wed 19-Jun-19 08:32:49

I think Viv was Viv. There are many of them about. The scenario painted could happen here, in the USA, anywhere. It took some of the family right up to it affected them personally before the rebelled. Muriels's speech over dinner was reminiscent of Martin Niemöller's confession "First they came for".

GrandmaKT Wed 19-Jun-19 08:39:58

and didn't Anne Reid play the part magnificently?

Teetime Wed 19-Jun-19 09:11:30

Thank God its over - very uncomfortable watching but I love Anne Reid and cant imagine why she hasn't been made a Dame.

trisher Wed 19-Jun-19 10:33:06

Last episode was a bit fantastic and so unbelievable, but then it was all a bit of a fantasy wasn't it. In fact at the end when Edith was being downloaded it seemed almost a comedy. I agree Anne Reid was good but just how old was her character by the end?

Calendargirl Wed 19-Jun-19 10:41:44

Yes, how old was Anne Reid meant to be? I thought it was her 90th birthday first episode. Not sure how many years had passed but she must have been well over 100. And apart from a walking stick and messier hair, looked much the same at the end.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 19-Jun-19 10:44:46

I agree GrandmaKT she was excellent.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 19-Jun-19 10:55:23

It was all fantastical Teetime, surely that is the point. Storytelling is the grown-up version of play where we act out scenarios or tell stories of the past and future and learn from them. Most stories can go in many different directions as we "try them on" like the witches cloak, or the angel wings, for size and to work out where we fit in. Were we the person who voted for Viv and didn't want to accept what was being done in our name until it affected us? Were we the fighter against those who broke our principles, willing to risk our lives? Were we the one whose love came above all else. Were we the weakling who got blown with the wind, often knowing what we were doing was wrong but always with an excuse? Were we the one swept along by visions of the future?

That's why storytelling is so important. It allows us to see both our own strengths and weaknesses and also recognise them in others.

GracesGranMK3 Wed 19-Jun-19 10:56:10

Sorry that should have been Trisher not Teetime.

trisher Wed 19-Jun-19 11:03:06

GracesGranMK3 that's true up to a point and had the whole thing been fantastical it might have worked better. Instead he tried to combine reality with fantasy and it really didn't sit well. The last scene with Edith sitting up dying and downloading being a real example of a failure. It wasn't fantastical enough and it tried too hard so it became comedy (which I don't think was what he wanted).

Franbern Mon 24-Jun-19 16:27:37

Not a comedy to me......rather frightening and I do not think it will take ten years to get to much of that showed. Forget the downloading, look at the actual political stuff. We are very nearly there now.
And, how many would actually care when those piccies of the Concentration Camps, etc. were sent out? how many would just shrug and say, 'Not me and mine - so what? - or even worse - it would just be branded as 'fake news'.
We should all be very aware and probably scared as to how accurate sociologically and polticially this drama was.

trisher Mon 24-Jun-19 16:45:05

Oh come on a woman sitting with a pipe coming out of the back of her head supposedly downloading herself, then lying down quietly because she knew it was time to die. It has to be farce.

Happiyogi Mon 24-Jun-19 16:59:55

...or it is showing us how the future will be a blend of things that are already everyday and familiar, and things that we can't possibly even imagine yet.

It has always been that way, but now it is happening at lightning speed and we have very little time (or take little time) to reflect on the potential impact of the changes.

Labaik Sat 06-Jul-19 13:33:13

Well, finally watched all of it but because I skim watched a lot of it I'm going to watch it properly. Did the last episode remind anyone of Dennis Potter's 'Cold Lazarus'; a series that both enthralled and chilled us many years ago?

NotSpaghetti Mon 29-Jul-19 02:35:15

Our daughter enjoyed this so I have watched it after the release. I think my husband and I must have been watching a different drama to most of you (and our daughter)!

We both felt it lacked drive, imagination, and true drama. It was superficial and most action came from nowhere. Characters did and said things that appeared “out of character “ and the monologues were tedious and expository.

It seems to me to have barely shifted the news forward from today and was altogether rather thin. The family was a group of “types” or cyphers employed by the writer to give life to various ideas.

I wasn’t impressed with the writing and found some of it really irritating e.g. - “why are you selling the house” “to pay for help to find Viktor” - and 5 minutes later they can share the proceeds of the sale 4 ways (no more mention of Viktor).

Wanted to like it but was glad it was soon over!