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The Trial of Christine Keeler.

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Calendargirl Mon 30-Dec-19 13:45:00

This started last night. It’s on again tonight, not sure how many episodes there will be.
I enjoyed it, the Profumo Affair was in the news when I was about 8 or 9, went over my head then obviously, but remember my parents were shocked that she was carrying on with the Minister for War and a Russian at the same time.
Not sure about Ben Miles’ appearance as Profumo, he looked a bit scary I thought. James Norton seemed an authentic Stephen Ward.

Doodledog Tue 31-Dec-19 02:23:25

He is very creepy. I hate the way he calls her 'little baby'.

Lyndiloo Tue 31-Dec-19 03:11:23

I missed Episode 1, but watched Episode 2 tonight.

I remember the 'Profumo Affair' well. I was about 16 at the time, I think, and worked in a 'government establishment' in London (have to be careful what I say here). Our boss was fired because he, too, was caught up in this scandal. He wasn't a public figure - never named in the press - and I wonder how many other men were actually involved ...? I think that this scandal spread much wider than the public was ever told. I wonder if that will all come out in this programme ...? (I doubt it!)

Jane10 Tue 31-Dec-19 07:15:48

It was strangely boring. I watched last night's episode but found my mind wandering off or I was fiddling with my phone etc. I don't know why the pace is so desperately slow.

travelsafar Tue 31-Dec-19 07:29:29

I am really enjoying this drama. I love the clothes and hairstyles of the girls and i am enjoying the way the men in 'charge' are just soooo stupid and think they can do as they please without regard for the young girls they are doing it too. Even though it backfired on CK it high lighted that those of the 'establishment' are not as perfect as once thought. I believe it is also the case today, look at the scandals around Boris which have suddenly disappeared from the news.

Resurgam123 Tue 31-Dec-19 07:52:49

I really cannot see why people are now still watching that.
It was a very long time ago.

I remember the fuss but there have been far worse "scandles" since then. I find it odd that the media is still interested in that.

Davidhs Tue 31-Dec-19 07:57:44

As a schoolboy we were very familiar with The Christine Keeler affair and a great many lewd jokes circulated at the time.
She was of course demonized unjustly it was the men manipulating her and the other girls involved that were the real villains. Profumo was a fool and the security services were caught napping but I don’t think there was a credible security risk. If CK had been a trained Russian spy, damage would have been done, she wasn’t more than an ordinary escort.

Watched the TV program for 20 mins, won’t bother to watch more

Daisymae Tue 31-Dec-19 08:06:39

The establishment well and truly welcomed profumo back into the fold. Keeler said that Stephen Ward was a spy and had to be silenced, hence the prosecution. There's an interview with Christine Keeler and Sue Lawley from the 80s on You tube which is interesting. It seems to me that Christine was used and abused all her young life. Rehabilitation was more difficult for her.

Rufus2 Tue 31-Dec-19 08:42:01

We always thought Mandy Rice-Davies made Christine look like Mother Theresa! When I saw a photo of C.K.in The Daily Mail pushing a shopping trolley just before her death, her features said it all. Reminded me of that final scene in "the Picture Of Dorian Grey"
But that photo of her astride that chair, was terrific! grin
How many GNs have tried that in front of a mirror? hmm

Granny23 Tue 31-Dec-19 08:56:19

Why did Prince Andrew keep popping into my head while I was watching this? Plus ca change.........

Iam64 Tue 31-Dec-19 09:10:41

Granny 23, and Prince Phillip

varian Tue 31-Dec-19 09:10:50

I can remember the scandal at the time. The actress who plays Mandy Rice Davies is very much as I remember her but I think the actress plating Christine Keeper is badly miscast. Christine Keeler was a redhead and much more beautiful.

Alexa Tue 31-Dec-19 09:55:04

Annniebach wrote:

"Profumo was given an OBE years later for work for charity."

It's important to know an erring individual can change for the better. Any other upper class individuals who have turned themselves around?

As for Christine, it would have been so good to hear she was protected by some powerful lover for the rest of her life.

Anniebach Tue 31-Dec-19 09:58:57

Christine married a police officer.

Mandy Rice Davies ,’2 years younger’ , lived off the publicity for most of her life.

loopyloo Tue 31-Dec-19 10:02:57

Granny 23, moi aussi......

Rufus2 Tue 31-Dec-19 10:32:47

Any other upper class individuals who have turned themselves around?

I'm an OBE as well as an OAP! Does that count? hmm

Callistemon Tue 31-Dec-19 10:40:24

Perhaps you were too young to understood the implications, resurgam.

This was in the 1960s during the Cold War and a time of espionage featuring prominently in the news, of a fear always in the background of nuclear Armageddon. This scandal involved the Minister of War and the Russian Attaché simultaneously sleeping with the same girl.

silverlining48 Tue 31-Dec-19 11:49:02

They certainly were terrifying times, the cold war between USA the west and USSR, the east, and then the Cuban missile crisis we lived in fear and came very close to another world war on more than one occasion.

Framilode Tue 31-Dec-19 11:50:17

I think it was about the establishment closing ranks to protect their own with the fall guy being Stephen Ward.
Profumo was awarded the CBE in later life, even more prestigious than the OBE.

Mandy Rice Davies became a successful business woman in Israel. She was married 3 times and eventually became something of a friend to Mrs Thatcher and Denis.

ladymuck Tue 31-Dec-19 11:53:29

I was living in Leamington Spa, so the story was local to us. I do remember it being in the papers, but didn't understand what it was all about.

Anniebach Tue 31-Dec-19 11:58:58

Stephen Ward could be classed a pimp

Jane10 Tue 31-Dec-19 12:01:30

rufus so you've got an 'Other Bugger's Effort' then? What was it for?

Callistemon Tue 31-Dec-19 12:17:32

Nothing much changes, does it!

Except that the pimp in the latest scandal is a woman.

Iam64 Tue 31-Dec-19 12:21:32

Nothing much changes indeed Callistemon. Except, most of us are less likely to judge 17 year olds with the life experiences CK had for living as she did at that age.

It's a good dramatisation, part of our lived history. The role of Mi5 makes clear just how much knowledge and influence they had and continue to have. They make decisions about what is in the public interest and we only know what they allow us to know.

AllTheLs Tue 31-Dec-19 12:24:44

Found it really boring. The Snow Cats and Me on the other side was far more gripping and just made me melt (not sure whether that was Gordon Buchanan or the beautiful lynxes)

Callistemon Tue 31-Dec-19 12:41:25

Iam64 interesting (and frightening) that some girls who are abused as young teenagers go on to live that kind of lifestyle, as if they feel it inevitable and normal that they will be controlled and used/abused by men and occasionally women too.

I think that Christine Keeler was far more vulnerable than Mandy Rice-Davies who was a much tougher character.