Netflix The Crown series 4 starts tonight...who will be watching it?

Maggie Thatcher's hair has a starring role of its own.

Can't take my eyes off it.

Jaberwok

Trouble with that is that people will take it for gospel along with all the other inaccuracies. History is what it is, you can't make it up just to make a good story.

Totally agree. People who live outside the UK and with little knowledge of the UK will take is even more as gospel, and not have the historical/cultural background to balance truth and fiction. Very damaging I feel.

Who is trashing the reigning House/Monarch?

On come on! Shakespeare never ever trashed the reigning House/Monarch. It was Tudor propaganda trashing the Plantagenets, certainly not the then current Queen or her family. Shakespeare didn't have a worldwide audience either, so hardly comparable.

The Sunday Times had a “true or false” article. ( Sorry if someone has already mentioned this), which was interesting.Cant remember who wrote it but they were of the opinion that it was rather one sided in the Diana v Charles story. Expect you can guess who came off best!

that was Lady Colin Tennant... ! The book is amazing - it has been criticised for its snobby attitude but I think it was more a case of the upbringing and taking things for granted in those times.

Yess! Tweedle I thought that when I was watching an episode yesterday.

I have watched up to the fifth episode now. Is it my imagination or is Mrs T’s hair getting bigger and higher? She is beginning to look like Marge Simpson.

I am beginning to feel sorry for the lot of them if it is true that they put the survival of the Crown before the happiness and well-being of family members.
It is such a unique and narrow sense of duty and I wonder if it was worth the sacrifice.

Having now watched six episodes of the new season, I'm taking the whole thing with a massive dose of salt. I found the depiction of Diana throwing up in the loo to be highly distasteful, even though that might be true to history.

Very insensitive showing a member of my family tree being blown up.
Yet a trigger warning given for bulimia!

PS if anyone is interested it should be on BBC iPlayer

I enjoyed a series on BBC2 earlier this year Princess Margaret: The Rebel Royal. Mention of Lady Glenconner reminded me of it. She and another elderly lady, whose name escapes me, feature a lot in it.

They were close friends of Princess Margaret. The Glenconners hosted holidays and parties for her on their island of Mustique.

Lots of chat about Margaret’s relationships within the RF and also with Peter Townsend, her husband Tony Armstrong and her relationship with Roddy Llewelyn who was 30 years her junior.

Interesting photos and film and news footage. Well worth a watch. It was sad to see how she bowed to pressure from the Royal family and the Church who were so disapproving of her relationship of Townsend because he was divorced. Now divorce is common within the RF.

Craig Brown's book 'Ma'am Darling' about Princess Margaret is literally brilliant.
It's written in a totally unique (to him) way. He's written a similar one about the Beatles.
Brown uses PM / the Beatles as a sort of starting point and writes around it.
He is a genius. My all time favourite writer.
(Haven't seen this series of The Crown yet, or indeed read all of this thread. I see it (the Crown) isn't getting the best of reviews.)

Anne Glenconner is the name of the author of the book Elizabeth1 It sounds right up my street so one to add to my xmas wish list, thanks for the heads up.

Sorry too for the typos

I’m enjoying watching the Ctown I’ve nearly completed 1-3 series. Simultaneously I’m reading Lady in waiting the authetwho was a dear friend of princess Margaret. I love hearing her stories of how the aristocrats lived in her youth. Her husband bought the island of mustique and when he died he left all his wealth to the Nan who cared for his elephant and nothing to his wife. She was on the This morning programme telling viewers her husband took her to a brothel on her honeymoon. She was also interviewed by Graham Norton recently and she was very interesting she’s becoming a famous author in her own right sorry I can’t remember her name at the moment

This is a long story condensed into short episodes. They can’t include every single historical detail. It’s broadly based on events. We don’t know all the ins and outs so we can’t pretend to say this or that couldn’t have happened. I don’t think people are stupid enough not to realise this. I read an article about the costume department and how they dressed the different characters. It was fascinating how they tried to be accurate.

I think Shakespeare would disagree

Trouble with that is that people will take it for gospel along with all the other inaccuracies. History is what it is, you can't make it up just to make a good story.

Sparklefizz

Jane10 I thought Diana moved into Clarence House to live with the Queen mother before her marriage and not Buck House as shown.

I'm pretty sure you're right! There are loads of mistakes in the episodes I've watched.

But are they mistakes ? Are the makers claiming accuracy do you think or just creating a drama loosely based on what happened ?

I seem to remember Diana moved into Clarence House just before the wedding so they did not leave from the same residence. I think she was in Buck House before that.

Jane10 I thought Diana moved into Clarence House to live with the Queen mother before her marriage and not Buck House as shown.

I'm pretty sure you're right! There are loads of mistakes in the episodes I've watched.

Many children who ride ponies used to also join the hunt. Its popularity declined prior to the ban on hunting with dogs, alongside growing awareness and sensitivity to animal welfare.

Hunting deer was part of the need not to allow the deer population to get too big. The alternative would be to re-introduce wolves so nature could maintain a sustainable deer population

I dislike blood sports and favour natural methods but I can see that wolves wouldn't only cull deer, they'd be after easy pickings like sheep and cattle.

I understand your feelings varian and share them but, I don't see loving dogs and horses, ensuring their welfare is always as good as it can be, is inconsistent with blood sports. Well,not for the Queen and people who move in her circles. It would be for me (and I expect for varian)

I thought Diana moved into Clarence House to live with the Queen mother before here marriage and not Buck House as shown.
Also the Queen's pearls continue to annoy me. Even on the rare occasions when Olivia C wears three strings they're nasty stiff ones that are too short.