'Viewpoint' on ITV and Noel Clarke

Seems now days you are guilty till proven innocent..

He claims he didn't actually film the young actress and some people who were there are saying he couldn't have done it. I just find the whole episode so unsavoury. The woman originating the first complaints was in dispute with him about a payment.
I don't think its right to condemn him without proper investigation.
But what I really find objectionable is the ethos of an industry which makes young actresses subject themselves to pseudo pornographic scenes, apparently because they fear for their careers. And that isn't the fault of Noel Clarke or anyone in the industry, it's the fault of a public who demand more and more extreme nudity and sex scenes.

Apparently the last episode is on YouTube.

He made a young actress audition in the nude , filed her and shed the video . He admits himself he needs " help ". I am just sorry for his three children and wife .

I am laughing at women being told off about swearing on a thread about a man who calls his wife the vagina at hone and whose own Twitter is just full of misogyny.

Lin52

Always trial by media, we have innocent until proven guilty in this country, but social media have made it guilty until proved otherwise.

This story was newspaper based originally not social media.

Always trial by media, we have innocent until proven guilty in this country, but social media have made it guilty until proved otherwise.

That's a good post Suzie although I would be most interested to be able to view and see these 20 women from whom these allegations have been made. Thankfully no allegation of rape was made so if that is the case then they should be identified and shown after all Noel Clarkes face has been plastered over the news programmes and everywhere else and so far they remain anonymous.
Just put the computer on and another bit of news came on about some of Noel Clarkes co-stars in Bulletproof.
One co-star name Mandeep Dhillon had this to say, this has gone on for ages, and it is "about f**king time" this is coming out it has been show business best kept secret for ages. Mandeep Dhillon you sure have a way with words a lovely potty mouth.

At least with all this plastered everywhere it is giving Ryan Giggs some breathing space and he is another one that has appeared in the news numerous times about his escapades with women.
Oh just remembered cannot say anything much about him he is getting charged so nothing to say about his case.
Although if it all blows right up at least they can keep each other company in court.

ninathenana

I too want to know who's guilty, or if she is even dead

Do you want a PM?

I too want to know who's guilty, or if she is even dead

NC may or may not have broken the law and/or he may or may not have broken various guidelines as to what is acceptable behaviour in the work place. Once allegations are made ( and there were 20 women) then it cannot be ‘business as usual’. This would be the same for anyone accused of this type and range of behaviour. Suspension may-happens whilst an investigation takes place which may or may not involve the police. The risk assessment may mean the person is allowed to carry on working but not interact with the public. It all depends - it’s supposed to be a ‘neutral’ act but obviously it looks and feels like being judged. In a case like this it is even more complicated as organisations want to distance themselves from him. I don’t think there’s a way off handling it usually that’s fair to the ‘accused’ and safeguards potential ‘victims’ . Sometimes things are just tough. This is one of those times

To me it made no sense at all to pull the last episode off tv.
Anyway, I soon discovered that it was on the ITV Hub and watched it there.
I thought it was enshrined in our law that a man is innocent until proved guilty? It puzzles me that this actor could be treated in this way without any official charge, also others that have suddenly lost their jobs without any trial.
I certainly feel strongly about anyone who abuses others, having been on the receiving end of abuse myself, like many of us I am sure. And yes, I read that Noel Clark did make a statement in which he admitted certain things,not sexual abuse though.
But this modern way of dealing with these things really sticks in my throat. I don't like it at all. Where is the justice?

Oh I can't PM you as you don't accept PM. If I write on here it might upset people!

Grannycool52

I don't have access to ITV Hub. Please can someone tell us who dunnit?

I will PM you

BlueBelle

Maddy he has accepted he may have spoken wrongly and will get help but fervently denies any sexual inappropriateness
I don’t believe the man should be hung drawn and quartered without being found guilty first
I hope he can put forward his side without prejudice but whether he’s guilty or not he’s lost his career and everything now

Onto the actual drama I thought it was excellent with a great twist in the ending I thoroughly enjoyed it

Yes, you are correct BlueBelle. I said in my first post on this thread that the courts should judge, not the public, and clearly he has not been found guilty of anything. I just thought when I saw the announcement on the news that if he’s apologised he must have accepted he’s done something wrong.

I think it was out of order for ITV to pull the final episode. Many older viewers do not have the Hub and will unable to watch the end. That’s unsatisfactory in my opinion. We watched it last night as planned. I think it’s only available on the Hub till Sunday.

Sometimes you have to separate the characters from the actors who play them.

I agree but I found that a bit difficult do as I watched the end last night after the allegations. Acting a role as a policeman in a position of trust and then taking advantage of the woman in whose flat he was on surveillance I felt a bit confused about him.

Maybe what I'm saying is should these kind of abusive storylines be included in the drama in the first place? But then it obviously happens.

I agree GrannyRose I really don't see the point of not showing the last episode.
Seems like an uneccessary knee jerk reaction.

I think it's terrible. What have I done that warrants being deprived of the end of a story I have been watching? Sometimes you have to separate the characters from the actors who play them.

And no-one should be castigated on the word of another. That is what courts are for - to decide on the guilt or otherwise of the accused.

So, guilty until proven innocent!
Selfishly, I know, I was looking forward to watching the last 3 episodes.
So now wondering do I bother?
It is a shame the other actors have to suffer aswell.

SuzieWoozie you have not returned to ask anything specific so I have somewhat of an early start tomorrow and am now signing out for tonight.

BlueBelle : You are completely correct he must put forward his side without prejudice but whether guilty or not his career
his integrity and everything else has been snatched from him almost overnight.

Maddy he has accepted he may have spoken wrongly and will get help but fervently denies any sexual inappropriateness
I don’t believe the man should be hung drawn and quartered without being found guilty first
I hope he can put forward his side without prejudice but whether he’s guilty or not he’s lost his career and everything now

Onto the actual drama I thought it was excellent with a great twist in the ending I thoroughly enjoyed it

SuzieWoozie If you ask me what you want me to tell you can you be more specific.
All you have said is and you know all this how?

Could someone help me please. Who did it? I haven’t got the hub working. Thank you.

That is totally unacceptable. She has a name !!