Anyone watching / watched “A very British scandal”?

vegansrock

Back to the duke/duchess -the fact that you barely saw any of their children confirms there wasn’t much hands on parenting amongst these so called aristocracy. It’s not as if any of them had an actual job is it?

I know vegansrock!
I’ve just finished watching it. Children were definitely to be ‘seen (v occasionally) and not heard’. Not real parenting at all, in my opinion. I suppose children shunted off as boarders mixed with other like-minded families and what you don’t know you don’t miss. Perhaps.

Yes, I planned to become a parlour maid, based on the duties detailed in my grandmother's Mrs. Beeton's Book of Household Management.
"Open the door to visitors, show them into the drawing-room, bring up afternoon tea, a little light dusting, arrange the flowers for the dining room, assist the mistress to dress when required, make up the fire and look after the breakfast, tea and coffee china, wearing a fresh print dress and a cap and a white apron. No rough apron required."
How did we manage without one?

eazybee

Running the Estate, don't ya know?

Which employed a lot of people, both in the house, gardens and on the estate as well as providing housing for them.

the fact that you barely saw any of their children confirms there wasn’t much hands on parenting amongst these so called aristocracy

Ditto. There was the maternity nurse, the nursemaids, the nanny and the governess.

Jobs for the skilled, the locals and impoverished genteel middle class spinsters.

If you look at old censuses, not all were members of the aristocracy or Ag Labs. There was a vast swathe of skilled and unskilled people employed on the huge estates.

Looking back, the variety of jobs was very interesting.

Running the Estate, don't ya know?

Back to the duke/duchess -the fact that you barely saw any of their children confirms there wasn’t much hands on parenting amongst these so called aristocracy. It’s not as if any of them had an actual job is it?

I think it's wrong to discuss an affair for which there is no proof.

Too short a skirt

Amazing isn’t she eazybee.

Harry protects his wife so much because of the suffering his mother endured but William hurts his wife regardless of all
he was witness to. He described it as her paranoia caused by
the media

Well!
What a woman!
Backbone of steel.
Not only did she play the piano in public without any fanfare she apparently coped with an affair between her husband and a close friend.
Should it be true I doubt if we will see Katherine in her sitting room wearing too much black eyeliner and too short a skirt telling all to the nation and sod the effect on the children.
I admire her even more.

GranJan60

Hearing the speech by “Maureen” in last episode after funeral I couldn’t help thinking how little some attitudes have changed in half a decade.

Exactly this GranJan! It seems in those days the “aristocracy” were very keen on keeping any appalling behaviour private. Now, with social media & the gadgets we have available, they can't do that anymore so have become used to their bad behaviour becoming public knowledge and they just brazen it out.
I wonder how the children of those people could ever grow up feeling loved or valued, never mind knowing what morals and integrity mean.

The only proof ! of an affair was it was learned of by something
written in America , William leaked lies to the media about Harry to take attention away from this alleged affair.

Add to this the posts saying Kate was very thin at the time of the alleged affair and William took out a court injunction.

Considering what the press did to his parents can he be blamed
from taking out the injunction.

It has been reported the claims of the alleged affair came from
Megan supporters.

Seems loss of weight after having a baby is proof for some

trisher

The Duchess did write an autobiography ]]

Ah, but do we trust her anyway? She’s often lied in the past apparently and leopards don’t change their spots. In my humble.

Iam ?

I’m interested to read up about Jeanne Campbell. The eldest child who had that birthday that Margaret pointed out to her mother ‘that I paid for all this’.

Not good for one’s self esteem I dare say, wondering whether people like you for yourself or just your money. Luckily I have plenty of friends and they know we just live off our pensions and that’s it! “Learn to ❤️ the life you have” I read once. Settle into it and take pleasures where you can. Good advice I think.
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nadateturbe

I have never heard of William's affair. I'm shocked. Is there proof I wonder.

No there isn't. But people will insist on perpetuating the rumour with no regard for his wife and children. It is very unfair.

Anniebach

No surprise

No surprise that she wrote her autobiography?

No surprise

The Duchess did write an autobiography www.amazon.co.uk/Forget-Not-Margaret-Duchess-Argyll/dp/0491018258?tag=gransnetforum-21

Anniebach

Yes Doodledog but not their private conversations and most of the series was just that.

I know, but all series' like this are the same. The private conversations are dramatic devices to explain what is going on 'offstage', in a 'Did you hear that the king has executed the Queen? People are saying she was a witch' sort of way.

History is made up of very few 'facts'. Mostly there are letters, diaries, and yes, newspaper reports, to flesh out the official records.

Yes Doodledog but not their private conversations and most of the series was just that.

Thanks Beswitched, that was my point but you made it more clearly.

Anniebach

Facts from newspaper articles!

Fair comment . But in amongst the speculation would be facts, as in what happened when - their marriage, their previous spouses and divorces and so on.

I have never heard of William's affair. I'm shocked. Is there proof I wonder.

I agree with you Urmstongran no envy just irritation. I do like wandering round NT properties though hearing the history even if I dislike it. And the walks are pleasant and I feel safe alone.
I do remember taking my MiL round Mountstewart once and she tutted very loudly at everything the guide told us. Funny now on looking back.

The writer had access to court reports etc. But they would only have told her what was said in Court, not what the actual truths were.
She also wasn't privy to all the stuff that wasn't part of the court case, including private conversations, family events etc.
So the drama was based on the two parties versions of events as presented in Court, the media's interpretation of those reports, gossip, rumours and tittle tattle at the time, and the differing memories and viewpoints of those still alive and willing to talk to her.

So presumably contained some facts, some fiction and some material that fell in between.

Facts from newspaper articles!

LauraNorderr

The drama under discussion, just like The Crown, is a work of fiction based on some fact, as is most of what we read in our newspapers, see on our television news programmes and pick up on our Twitter feeds. I prefer not to believe anything unless I have first hand knowledge of all the facts.
I am referring to so called celebrity and royal gossip of course NOT to suffering in Afghanistan or world poverty.

In this case, the 'some fact' is court reports and newspaper articles of the day, though. It's not like King Arthur or Vikings .