Fiona Bruce invites covid anti-vaxxers on QT

However, because we are in a pandemic crises with many many deaths, then it is beholden if the BBC to ensure that they have a doctor explaining his reasons for having a vaccine

Some of the people who are being called anti-vaxxers are only anti covid vaccines, not anti-vaccine in general, and some of them are doctors. These facts alone make me think we should listen to what they have to say.

The problem is, Gillycats, that those who got the vaccination but did catch the virus and were unlucky enough to get it badly ALSO have to live with the same fact that most of the beds are full of antivaxxers who thought they were fireproof - and so do all the people who need a hospital bed for something completely different but have to join a long queue.

Now, if the antivaxxers always carefully isolated themselves from everyone else while they were feeling fine, and always selflessly refused a hospital bed when they did catch it and were very ill, then they could do what the they liked - but as soon as the results of skipping the jab kick in they want to join the benefits of treatment without the responsibility of prevention.

And another ‘well said ‘ from me Weeducky , spot on.?

love0c

The unvaccinated are not ill! Hence, they are not off work! Good grief! Both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated have to test!!!

We don't have to test, we are asked to test but no one checks if we do, so your argument is invalid.

Weeducky- well said!

I don’t want to hear about the unvaccinated. It’s their choice to take the chance and they must live with the fact that should they take up hospital beds with Covid then they are preventing other sick people from getting care!

Frankly QT is becoming a joke. It is just a leftie sounding board these days. The Labour panelist’s spend their time slating the Tories. No doubt the next show will be about the Downing Street parties. We have an impending disaster looming in the Ukrain, a struggling economy, education system and NHS, yet hardly any airtime is given to this. I actually don’t care about the stupid parties anymore. There are more important things going on or had Starmer and his minions not noticed?

If you don't get the brakes on your car checked and fixed because you are such a marvellous driver that you can cope with them being a bit dodgy and anyway your strong seatbelt will save you, then as a result it is likely that you won't be able to stop fast enough to avoid running down a pedestrian.

To those who think their "natural immunity" will be enough in a pandemic -
Loopylou said "Also, people who are in their 20s and 30s not overweight and no health issues are very unlikely to end up in itu and likely to develop a natural immunity." and others seem to have the same blinkered view.

BUT you develop natural immunity by getting a disease and producing your own natural antibodies to it so that you don't get it so badly next time So to have that immunity you would have to catch it, and not be part of the statistics of "those who didn't get it" but of "those who did get it and ignored it and helped it to spread" and you would go on to spread it to people you met - who may have had some co-morbidity which meant that they were likely to be very badly affected by it. And even if they didn't, you would have contributed to spreading it around

Every little helps, and that applies to helping the virus. I daresay the little viruses are delighted to have so much assistance from the fifth column of anti-vaxxers..

love0c

Anyone see the interview with the doctor last night? Apparently the sickness of staff off at the moment in the NHS are the vaccinated?! Just so you know I am fully vaccinated.

how does he know this...was it anecdotal or did he have numbers? also was there any mention of the fact that vaccination does mitigate the severity of the illness....so the vaccinated may be off sick but won't be as sick as the unvaccinated.....also fo course if the vaccinated are a much larger cohort, as I belive they are, then of course their sickness numbers are larger...I don't believe anybody has ever said get vaccinated and you WON'T catch covid.

Thank you GrannyGravy and Oldbat (I hate calling you that!)

I would always have agreed with a right to speak but our society is changing rapidly and social media has invited everyone to have their say and to back up their opinion with written and physical violence.

It is well worth reading this article

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/jan/25/as-a-doctor-you-want-to-help-not-explain-why-patients-must-suffer-one-gps-diary-of-this-winter-of-discontent

to see both he state our country and medical services are in but also to see how anti vaxxers behave. Anyone who deliberately attacks medical professionals and tries to violently disrupt people going about their work looking after others doesn't deserve to be heard.

It's not difficult to find out what anti vaxxers think and this programme isn't the debating chamber of a top university where views will be peacefully exchanged and then people go meekly on their way rubbing their chins thoughtfully.

One especial problem with vaccination according to many anti vaxxers is that people have become confused and misled by arguments about mRNA vaccines which they think are the authorities 'messing with our DNA'. The demise of understanding of science and the rejection of 'experts' - now everyone is an expert - makes me want to weep. These people are dangerous and they don't want to listen.

Whitewavemark2

love0c

Anyone see the interview with the doctor last night? Apparently the sickness of staff off at the moment in the NHS are the vaccinated?! Just so you know I am fully vaccinated.

Well it would be wouldn't it, if you think about it.

The question to ask is how sick are they, compared to the unvaccinated who are sick.

All 11 of us who met up over Christmas - 8 adults triple jabbed and 3 young children - tested positive right afterwards,

But only one had anything but the very mildest of symptoms, and 2 adults and the 3 children had no symptoms at all.,

FannyCornforth the audience are very spaced out and fewer in number, all wearing face masks. The panel have see through plastic screens between them.

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I very much doubt if reading this will influence a dedicated non-vaccinate diehard, but it gives me a few more arrows to my bow when people give me a load of rubbish in favour of not accepting the vaccine.
I'm vaccinated and, no, I don't exactly know what's in it - neither this vaccine, the ones I had as a child and adult, or in other treatments. Whether it's for cancer, AIDS or vaccines for infants or children. I also don't know what's in other over-counter-medications, it just cures my ailments.
I don't know what's in the ink for tattoos, or every ingredient in my soap or shampoo or even deodorants. I don’t know the long term effect of mobile phone use or whether or not that restaurant I just ate at used clean foods and washed their hands.
I also don’t know how much deadly asbestos is in the buildings I visit.
In short ...
There's a lot of things I don't know and never will.
I just know one thing: life is very short, and I still want to do something other than just going to work every day or having others in our community and country locked in their homes. I still want to travel.
As a child and as an adult I've been vaccinated for mumps, measles, rubella, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, hep A and B, small pox, polio, chicken pox, tetanus, influenza and quite a few others. My parents and I trusted the science.
I'm vaccinated, not to please the government but:
* To not die or become seriously ill from Covid-19.
* To not clutter a hospital bed if I get sick.
* To live my life.
* To have my community and country get back to normal.
* For Covid-19 to be an old memory, as it will.
* To protect us all.
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FannyCornforth

Can someone answer my question on the first page please.
Is it in the studio? Everyone sitting together?
Thank you!

Yes Fanny QT is back with a live audience, reduced capacity and masked.

Is this to be a special programme of QT devoted just to this issue? Doesn't sound as though there would be time for a thorough debate otherwise. Not sure either that serious controversial issues such as this play to FB's strengths.

Calendargirl

On the News last night was a hospital Covid ward with all but one patient unvaccinated. One was slowly recovering after a month on a ventilator. When asked why he hadn’t had the vaccine, he had no real reason, but still seemed doubtful.

Silly, silly man.

I saw that. I just don’t understand why people object to taking a simple vaccine but have absolutely no problem with the amount of drugs and equipment used to keep them alive on a ventilator. Doesn’t make sense.

I wouldn’t want to sit amongst a group of unvaccinated people but nor do I think stifling debate is a good idea. Let’s hear what the anti-vaxxers have to say and then decide whether it has any merit.

Luckygirl3

It needs to be balanced and the moderation needs to be immaculate.

But I would not wish to be in a room with a whole gang of unvaccinated people.

I will not be watching it - I value my blood pressure!

I sat in a hospital waiting room with a lot of people last week and have no idea if they were vaccinated or not.

The chairs were reasonably spaced but there were a lot of us in a room much smaller than a studio or hall which is where QT is usually filmed.

I am vaccinated and everyone had to wear a mask.

love0c

The unvaccinated are not ill! Hence, they are not off work! Good grief! Both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated have to test!!!

The figures for unvaccinated Covid hospital admissions would seem to say otherwise.

love0c

Anyone see the interview with the doctor last night? Apparently the sickness of staff off at the moment in the NHS are the vaccinated?! Just so you know I am fully vaccinated.

But if the majority of NHS staff are vaccinated then it stands to reason that if they catch Covid they will be the ones off sick. Doesn’t really say anything we don’t already know - the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting Covid. The question is, how sick would these people have been had they not been vaccinated.

Sorry, that was a completely random post

It was in answer to love0c's post of 10:13

The doctor? Which doctor?

References please.

Anyway, several people have taken the time to explain why any inferences you took from an article on the news featuring one doctor are incorrect.

It needs to be balanced and the moderation needs to be immaculate.

But I would not wish to be in a room with a whole gang of unvaccinated people.

I will not be watching it - I value my blood pressure!

love0c

Why would it be? The vaccinated are the sick ones. That is the point I am making. There does need to be debate/studies. It is no good burying our heads in the sand. If it turns out too many vaccinations are actually making people susceptible to these virus, we need to now.

How on earth do vaccinations make people susceptible to viruses? That really doesn't make sense.

Here’s Dr John Campbell explaining why Omicron is more infectious than earlier variants. About 8 minutes into the talk

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