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Julian Lennon “selling” his fathers memorabilia

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HannahLoisLuke Wed 26-Jan-22 14:20:09

Listening to late night radio 5live last night I heard the most preposterous story about Julian Lennon selling off his father's memorabilia, namely his black cape and cap worn in the film Help and the handwritten lyrics to Hey Jude. He was asking £40,000 for that. Only problem is that the buyer doesn’t get the actual items, just a digital token stating that you are the owner but Julian gets to keep them. The presenter asked if Julian was then able to sell them (the actual items) in future and the answer was yes he could, but you would still be the digital owner!
The emperor’s new clothes came to mind immediately and when the presenter asked listeners for their views they agreed. One lady said ‘ if I buy a chocolate cake I want to eat it, not watch somebody else do it’ but the best comment came from ‘John in Hackney’ who said “ thinking back fifty years was this what John Lennon meant when he wrote ‘Imagine no possessions’
I’m still gobsmacked that these sort of deals exist.
What do other GNs think?

HunnyBunny Thu 27-Jan-22 12:11:06

Is this anything to do with big recording stars like Bob Dylan and Springsteen? They recently sold their songs to big companies like Sony for hefty sums.

Is it that if the song itself, Hey Jude, ever played, the person with the digital token receives the royalties? But Julian gets to keep the original paper the song is written on?

It’s got to be something like that otherwise who in their right mind would bother?

jaylucy Thu 27-Jan-22 12:02:34

I think that a few of us would like to try this one and I'm not sure this would be legally binding unless it specifically said that you basically renting/ leasing the items or something !
I just think it's a great shame that Julian feels that he still has to trade on his father's name.

grandtanteJE65 Thu 27-Jan-22 11:58:47

Would anyone like three adorable cats?

(They are all dead, but I have some lovely pictures of them in the prime of life).

I can probably find six other cats and a marvellous fox terrier and a collie if there are any dog lovers who would care for a digital dog.

Kate1949 Thu 27-Jan-22 11:43:36

I've always felt sorry for Julian. I'm sure he doesn't need my sympathy! I'm not sure how anyone who doesn't know him can say he's a 'beautiful person'.

Purplepixie Thu 27-Jan-22 11:31:35

That’s terrible! Who in their right minds would give him the money and not get the goods? I feel so sad reading that.

rowyn Thu 27-Jan-22 11:29:12

There's only one thing to say.
A fool and his money are soon parted

Omalinda Thu 27-Jan-22 11:28:56

Surely it’s more fool the buyer.

hollysteers Thu 27-Jan-22 11:25:46

We do know the reasons why he was treated differently. John was immature, not interested in being a father, tied up with the career and Epstein’s advice was not to own up being married with a child as bad for publicity.
I feel sorry for Julian and wish him well. In his position I would sell John’s stuff too, but a digital possession is bonkers.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 27-Jan-22 11:16:25

It’s not a scam because the buyers would know what they are and are not getting. That would have been made very clear. I can only say more fool them.

Pepper59 Thu 27-Jan-22 11:10:32

Im surprised he feels the need to do this as I thought Julian had his own (fairly successful) career. John Lennon spent quite a bit of time with legal battles for residency to stay in the US, which does explain some of his estrangement with Julian. Ive never been sure as to what or who kept John from Julian otherwise. There is much we don't know about the situation. John was a troubled soul, with his own issues from childhood.

Nannee49 Thu 27-Jan-22 11:09:19

Is it a scam if the buyer fully understands and accepts the terms of the transaction?
I can't speak for either of them but personally I wouldn't be very much arsed about appalling a parent who very publicly and humiliatingly abandoned me.

Nannan2 Thu 27-Jan-22 11:05:45

Maybe he was treated differently for reasons we dont know.maybe he's self centred.who knows. I know i wouldn't be buying his digital fantasies anyway.

Nannan2 Thu 27-Jan-22 11:01:15

Beautiful person or not- hes scamming folk who would normally expect that if you 'buy' an item, its then yours to keep- not his to hang on to however long he likes, or 'resell' if he feels like it.Has he thought of working to make money? Or does he have a 'virtual' job? His father would have been appalled at this.

Nannan2 Thu 27-Jan-22 10:56:52

What a scam!if hes selling them, then he should be prepared to bleeding well hand them over! The man must think we are
Insane! The old lady on the radio was hilarious! I wish id heard her!? A sale is a sale, meaning you then own what you bought- i can't believe the law is allowing this! ??

Nannan2 Thu 27-Jan-22 10:51:33

LauraNorderr-???

Callistemon21 Thu 27-Jan-22 10:49:38

Riggie

???

They won't even come to do the garden so I decided not to proceed!

Riggie Thu 27-Jan-22 10:48:12

Callistemon21

^Only problem is that the buyer doesn’t get the actual items, just a digital token stating that you are the owner but Julian gets to keep them.^
I've decided to sell my house but I'm still going to keep it and live in it.
I will send the buyer a framed photo so he can look at it.

???

I think thats called equity release, except I assume they don't have a photo to look at!!

GillT57 Wed 26-Jan-22 16:08:41

I raised awareness, including my own, about this a few weeks back with the article about people selling digital ownership of plimsolls trainers for hundreds, sometimes thousands of pounds. When I read about things like this, I feel very old.....

Chestnut Wed 26-Jan-22 16:01:24

Julian is a beautiful person who cares for people, so he is not doing this out of greed, of that I am sure. He started the White Feather Foundation and a portion of this sale will go to that. I can understand why he wouldn't want to part with the items, but at the same time can share them in some way with Lennon fans. He has no children himself, so I am sure when he dies the proceeds of everything will probably go to charity. Here's the article:
Rolling Stone Article

Blossoming Wed 26-Jan-22 15:39:28

I agree Nannee49

I wonder if the buyer owns the digital rights to the images? I’m sure the right lawyer could make something out of that grin

Kate1949 Wed 26-Jan-22 15:34:56

Julian was indeed treated shabbily by John. Sean and Julian are very close now. Any bids for my picture of myself with the Beatles? You can own it but you can't have it.

Smileless2012 Wed 26-Jan-22 15:25:55

LauraNorderrgrin. Is Julian going to release a new song 'Imagine you're the owner'?

crazyH Wed 26-Jan-22 15:19:23

Julian was treated unfairly. Sean was the favoured one, due to Yoko Ono’s influence.
So if he wishes to raise some money, I don’t blame him.

Nannee49 Wed 26-Jan-22 15:09:15

The concept is bonkers and I don't agree with it per se but I've always thought Julian Lennon had a really raw deal from his dad who, if the stories are to be believed, ignored him to the point of cruelty whilst being totally enamoured of his other son, Sean...didn't Paul McCartney write Hey Jude for him?
Julian Lennon was also, apparently, treated very unfairly regarding his dad's inheritance with, again, Sean being the favoured one.
I think, for all John Lennon's posturing about love and peace, he was a hypocrite and, in my book, not a very nice person to have treated his children so unequally.

Riverwalk Wed 26-Jan-22 14:58:59

I half listened to something on the radio a few months back - it seems there's a market for virtual art.

So someone buying the virtual rights to Lennon's handwritten lyrics isn't necessarily a fan or being ripped-off, it's could just be an investment. Who knew?