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Probably best not to know….I worked at the Labour exchange in my youth. One day I went to get something and realised the lady I was interviewing had glanced at her notes which said ‘aged 30 but looks much older’. Not written by me I hasten to add but still awkward…

FLK = funny looking kid
NFF= normal for Fife
Wouldn't be allowed these days.
Just finished binge watching the programme. Absolutely not a comedy. A pretty serious drama but very well done.

As a non medic I don't understand why junior doctors are expected to work such long hours. Surely this is not safe. Why can't they just work normal hours? Enjoyed the books and the programme btw.

Because there simply aren’t enough doctors to cover all those hours without long shifts, Grannyrebel.

It’s a vicious circle, junior doctors such as my dd have to work such long hours, often 75+ hours a week, but that, along the way they are treated by some members of Joe Public, then leads to dissatisfaction with their lives and they leave to do other jobs that allow them to have a life.

Aveline

FLK = funny looking kid
NFF= normal for Fife
Wouldn't be allowed these days.
Just finished binge watching the programme. Absolutely not a comedy. A pretty serious drama but very well done.

It was very well done. Some very sad and serious issues. But also funny. As one critic says of it it is a gory, blackly comic eye-opener

Couldn't have put it better myself

I laughed a lot eg ‘I can lip read y’know’. But I cried a lot, too. It’s really stayed with me.

I liked the bit when the grumpy old lady was saying nobody would miss her and he said he was sure the lion and the wardrobe would.

One of the difficulties with working hours is the fact that they learn by doing - this is how they acquire the skills they need. And the more new treatments and the more innovations in medicine, then the more they have to learn. How to cram it all in?

That’s what a friend whose son was training to be a doctor told me. Her son could have worked shorter hours but would have had to study for more years to gain the experience required. It’s made me think about Jeremy Hunt, given that I look to him as being a much better PM than the one we have now, but have started remembering how he, I believe called junior doctors ‘lazy’ ( I need to double check that, though) when he in charge of health.

When DH was diagnosed with multiple myeloma DD's doctor friend said "Oh we always called myeloma Moans, Bones and Groans when I was a student. Might not be acceptable now.

What doctors have to know has changed, really. They’re now told that they won’t retain every single thing about every single condition they’ve been taught, because it’s now at the touch of a keypad. At one time, a doctor reaching for a book was frowned upon because it was a sign that they didn’t know everything. Today, it’s a sign that they’re prepared to research something.

Medicine is also much more complex today with many new treatments as well as much more scientific knowledge about the human body.

Aveline, the abbreviation FLK for funny-looking kid could be useful as a way of suggesting that a baby might need follow-up because there was something not quite right about it. Other staff would be alerted without alarming the parents before there was definitely something to be alarmed about. Not all conditions of the new-born are obvious.

lemsip

as MerylStreet has sent a link to this I will add the headline and link

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10506277/This-Going-Hurt-author-Adam-Kay-sang-vile-songs-Downs-syndrome-baby.html?login#readerCommentsCommand-message-field
This Is Going To Hurt author Adam Kay sang vile songs about a Down's syndrome baby and Northern women as part of comedy duo.........8While he worked for the NHS Adam Kay wrote parody songs with offensive lyrics
The author has desperately tried to remove any trace of them from the internet
In one performed song, a Down's syndrome baby is referred to as a 'mong'

Gallows humour it may well be and I'm swimming against the tide on this thread, but I'm agreeing with Janice Turner in finding it "unbearable hateful towards women, especially pregnant ones. They're just thick cows, malingerers, bigots, vaginas or slabs of meat" and the link above says a lot about Adam Kay too imo!

We've just caught up with this. I absolutely love it. Adam Kay based it on his own experiences in the NHS.

I agree with you terribull I really hope that during childbirth and a miscarriage that the doctors treating me were nothing like him.

I think maybe we should think about what it’s like to be responsible for keeping people alive and how anyone of us would cope with knowing that we had failed that someone. Because no doctor will go through their professional career without making a mistake and they have find coping mechanisms to deal with that.

Watching least nights programme I was taken right back to my ward sister days. As nurses we often bailed the junior doctors out not just with tea, toast and sympathy but with correcting and guiding them especially preparing them for consultants ward rounds.

Was he just working in the wrong speciality?

I really enjoyed the book and the drama on tv which I binge watched over 3 days.

However the person concerned Adam Kay seems a pretty messed up personality.

Gallows humour it may well be and I'm swimming against the tide on this thread, but I'm agreeing with Janice Turner in finding it "unbearable hateful towards women, especially pregnant ones. They're just thick cows, malingerers, bigots, vaginas or slabs of meat" and the link above says a lot about Adam Kay too imo!

He went to boarding school, struggled mightily with any kind of relationship with his mother and is gay. Maybe he doesn’t like women much? He comes across as a clever man “with complex issues”. Something of a tortured soul I think and quite dismissive of people of a lesser intellect.

Something of a tortured soul I think and quite dismissive of people of a lesser intellect.

Or indeed any patient he had to deal with...

Aveline

Was he just working in the wrong speciality?

When I was expecting DC3 I saw a consultant from New Zealand. He was quite rude and dismissive and for no apparent reason mentioned the possibility of a Caesarian.

The sister who was with him said afterwards there was absolutely no need, that the number of Caesarians had gone up since he arrived and that the nurses all said he didn't like women and liked cutting them open!

I wasn’t keen after the first episode but last night felt an affinity with him. I can understand the feeling after making a mistake. In some jobs it’s ok, you learn from it and move on, but mistakes in medicine can be life endangering, and it does require a certain temperament and support for it not to ruin a career. It also can, as shown, cause over treatment/investigation due to lack of confidence.
Rather sad I thought.

I didn't like the Adam Kay character but Shruti was very well written and acted. So sad.

He really seemed much nicer and human than portrayed when I saw him at an event promoting his book.