Izzard as female reimagining of Dr Jekyll, anyone ?

It’s odd isn’t it? (Buttons) it’s just one of those things that have stuck

Ps I'm just imaging a left-handed valet trying to do up a shirt or coat on someone else!

I can’t walk in heels either.
Mind you, I can hardly walk in owt at the moment

Oh, even the poor ones?

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It’s from when men had valets to do their buttons up.

trisher

Eddie Izzard has got great legs though and he can walk in heels!!!

I can't walk in heels!

A very blokey bloke in horrible clothes and make up!

Why do men's shirts and coats do up a different way from women's coats and shirts?

Do the designers assume all boys are left-handed?

He looks like a bloke whatever he wears.
A very blokey bloke.

And he’s got awful taste in clothes

Stanley has much better legs than Eddie.

I’ve always had the impression that it’s all about the cross dressing with Eddie. I think that he’s an old fashioned transvestite.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a bit of AGP in there either

As FarNorth pointed out, clothes have nothing to do with the sex of the wearer. Buying in to the idea that ‘woman in trousers and man in dress’ is radical suggests an adherence to gender norms. Yes, it’s unusual (well, the man in a dress bit is) but the act of wearing a dress doesn’t make Izzard a woman any more than wearing trousers makes women into men.

Izzard, in common with many transpeople, has had neither surgery nor hormones, so remains very firmly in the sex he was at birth (and that assumes that there is a possibility of changing sex using those methods). How, in that case has he ‘become a woman’ on the days he decides he is ‘girly’?

How do transwomen (I understand that Izzard does not claim this status for himself) ‘become women’? What does it mean to ‘be a woman’ if hormones, gametes, socialisation, dress (or heels) or biological makeup are deemed irrelevant, and if we are not to insist that both sexes stick to socially determined gender norms in order to hang on to their birth sex identification? I would really like an answer to this, as it is at the heart of so much of the conflict surrounding this issue.

I am hoping the campaign with regard to Primark gains some momentum, its looking at the messages that are emblazoned on clothes for girls and boys (generally be kind for girls, and make a mess for boys). There is absolutely no need for childrens clothes to be divided into for girls and boys.

Today I’m in a fleece and joggers. Cotton Traders sell the same for either sex

Rosie51

trisher

I liked the contrast in the outfits FarNorth woman in trousers and a sweater Eddie in skirt and heels (and I like his politics)

I wonder how you know the person pictured with Eddie ('his' pronoun today?) is a woman? Are you personally acquainted or did you make an assumption not based on clothing?

I guessed like most of us do most of the time!

Eddie has said he doesn't mind which pronoun is used about him. I find I swap round all the time

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trisher

I liked the contrast in the outfits FarNorth woman in trousers and a sweater Eddie in skirt and heels (and I like his politics)

I wonder how you know the person pictured with Eddie ('his' pronoun today?) is a woman? Are you personally acquainted or did you make an assumption not based on clothing?

Exactly trisher.
Clothes mean nothing in relation to sex.

I liked the contrast in the outfits FarNorth woman in trousers and a sweater Eddie in skirt and heels (and I like his politics)

Thanks trisher for coming back to give us a laugh with that.

Stanley Baxter had very good legs - maybe still does.
(No comment on the outfit)

Eddie Izzard has got great legs though and he can walk in heels!!!

Eddie Izzard would suit the lead role in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane . He makes a rather unattractive "woman"

Dame Edna being feminine -amazing. I love to watch clips like this one. m.youtube.com/watch?v=cKdCTtTMwgU.

SueDonim

The thing is, though, Eddie doesn’t look androgynous to me. He always looks like a bloke, wherever he’s wearing. ?

Yes, he is very male.

Dame Edna was much more feminine.

The thing is, though, Eddie doesn’t look androgynous to me. He always looks like a bloke, wherever he’s wearing. ?

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