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Dialects and lazy speech - there is a difference

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Franbern Fri 20-May-22 12:21:12

Was quite taken aback, just now - at BBC - hidden presenter introducing Bargain Hunt and trying to inform us that in half an hours time it would be time for The repair Shop. He actually said 'At one foree five.......'

I can appreciate the BBC having presenters, etc. with different local dialects BUT this is just lazy speech, not a dialect The word is FORTY not FOEE. AND it would have been good to hear a T at the end of Hunt..

How can we correct children's lazy speech with this sort of thing? Or am I just being picky in my old age????

volver Sun 22-May-22 14:32:05

volver

MissA - you're not Priti Patel are you? According to some, her way of speaking is the worst thing about her. grin

Billy Mackay recently gave the "Time for Reflection" 5 minute talk at the Scottish Parliament in Scots. Some people almost self combusted grin

Sorry - Billy Kay, not Mackay.

GagaJo Sun 22-May-22 14:33:43

I've just marked 85 oral English exams, from schools all around the world. The variety of accents were wonderful. Chinese, Indian, American, Canadian, British, a few Scottish and even a Welsh one (a teacher for that).

As others have said, as long as they could communicate their meanings clearly, their accents were irrelevant.

MissAdventure Sun 22-May-22 14:34:26

I suppose they all jamp on their phones to complain? smile

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 22-May-22 14:34:57

I might understand what’s being said MissA, it just irritates the hell out of me when I hear it from a presenter on tv or radio.

MissAdventure Sun 22-May-22 14:35:52

I'm about 3 posts behind, here.
Slow. Sorry!

GagaJo Sun 22-May-22 14:35:55

Germanshepherdsmum

I might understand what’s being said MissA, it just irritates the hell out of me when I hear it from a presenter on tv or radio.

Hmmm. Regional pronunciation or arrogance and snobbery?

I know which I prefer.

MissAdventure Sun 22-May-22 14:39:26

Ah, that's the point Gsm smile
People find it irritating, not some of the other reasons they use to justify their irritation.
"It could hinder chances at work"
Nope; everyone I worked with as an executive officer in the civil service spoke with the same regional speech.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 22-May-22 14:40:31

I don’t like JRM’s accent either. In fact I hate it as much as Stacey Dooley’s. Something without extremes of regional or upper class pronunciation will do nicely.

MissAdventure Sun 22-May-22 14:42:25

Oh Mogg's accent sounds absolutely ridiculous to me.
An affectation.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 22-May-22 14:45:37

Now there we agree!?

MissAdventure Sun 22-May-22 14:46:51

The thing with these threads is that unless someone takes on all comers, it descends into an out and out "say whatever you want about the rough, lazy people" free-for-all."

It does actually hurt to hear yourself and those you live dismissed as not worthy.

MissAdventure Sun 22-May-22 14:48:20

Just to prove the point, almost all of that last bit by me is spelt wrong. (ly?)

grin

MissAdventure Sun 22-May-22 14:51:03

It's not me.
It's my "thingers" smile

Yammy Sun 22-May-22 15:35:19

One person on T.V and radio speaks with my regional accent but does not use regional words and that's Melvyn Bragg though even his accent is a bit standardised. I think we should all keep our accents but what is the point of talking in dialect if most countries cannot understand you.
"Hast thou ever seen a cuddy lope ower a five-barred yat'.
Does anyone understand it may be some Scots grannies?

MissAdventure Sun 22-May-22 15:36:56

Yeah, I seen it wiv me own mince pies, me old China!
It was radio rental!

volver Sun 22-May-22 15:43:37

Has anyone ever seen a horse jump over a five-bar gate??

I use that in everyday interactions all the time.

Esspee Sun 22-May-22 15:45:55

MissAdventure

In what respect does that make a difference?
Knowing.
Knowin.

If we had a chat in the phone, or you heard it on tv, its simple to know what is being said.

If someone said knowin in my part of the world I would assume the person was not at home.

MissAdventure Sun 22-May-22 15:46:01

A horse I saw jamp one regularly.

Esspee Sun 22-May-22 15:49:40

Yammy

One person on T.V and radio speaks with my regional accent but does not use regional words and that's Melvyn Bragg though even his accent is a bit standardised. I think we should all keep our accents but what is the point of talking in dialect if most countries cannot understand you.
"Hast thou ever seen a cuddy lope ower a five-barred yat'.
Does anyone understand it may be some Scots grannies?

I’m a Scottish granny and I had no problem reading that Yammy.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 22-May-22 15:50:02

You mean reg’lar. You’re bein too proper like.

MissAdventure Sun 22-May-22 15:52:43

Oi! Turn it up!

volver Sun 22-May-22 15:52:51

MissAdventure

A horse I saw jamp one regularly.

Jamp?

Or Jumpit?

Or Lowpit?

?

Esspee Sun 22-May-22 15:55:36

The aberration which most irritates me is the r which is added into words such as drawring instead of drawing or idear instead of idea.

MissAdventure Sun 22-May-22 15:56:50

Ere! Knock it off!
I ain't got a scooby what you're on abaat!

Yammy Sun 22-May-22 16:01:12

volver

^Has anyone ever seen a horse jump over a five-bar gate^??

I use that in everyday interactions all the time.

Nearly but the cuddy is a donkey. The Elderly farmer when we first moved asked me if I was a marra or an assa marra two other parts of the county different to where we live. When I talk to him I talk in dialect but if I had to phone a stranger I would hope to use my best spoken English.