Dialects and lazy speech - there is a difference

I would enjoy DNA Family Secrets a great deal more if Stacey Dooley wasn’t the presenter. Gluttal stops everywhere. Her speech is atrocious for a television presenter.

I used to think the most commonly badly pronounced words on the bbc news bulletins used to be when they referred to the Home Secretary as the “Ome sekkertree” . Don’t tell me that is regional! I wanted to scream and throw things at the tele!!! Never hardly ever watch the news now especially that Biased Broadcasting Corporation - peace is restored!

Ah, as expected, the screamers.

Blimey what a lot of complainers …who cares

I actually think people like Stacey Dooley do more good by being happy with who they are and where they come from. There is nothing wrong with her own voice

Regional speech just means that people from the same region will speak in the same way.

It seems elocution, and all the other things that can be taught, don't teach the understanding of a basic term.

The clue is in the word "regional".

Germanshepherdsmum

I would enjoy DNA Family Secrets a great deal more if Stacey Dooley wasn’t the presenter. Gluttal stops everywhere. Her speech is atrocious for a television presenter.

Peak snob I think!

The glottal stop is a part of certain dialects.

Too common for you?

In a word, yes.

I work with a girl from 'Ackney (Hackney). She tells me there is no H in their dictionary. I love hearing her accent

Can she pronounce T? As in photo, not pho’o?

As I recently explained to my GCs aged 7 it doesn’t matter how you speak as long as you can be understood. They are always taking the mickey as I have a SE accent. Bath and barth, path and parth etc.?

I like the variety of different voices and accents in public television so long as I can understand what is being said. I would not want to go back to the ”cut glass” voices of the earlier BBC.

What I do struggle with are government (and other) call centres where the regional accent is very pronounced and I have difficulty hearing what is being said. I have particular difficulty with strong Merseeyside accents when I need to call the DWP in Bootle. I find actors Stephen Graham and Jodie Comer and comedian John Bishop difficult to understand. I struggle with some strong Scottish accents too.

I'm mentally sharp and my hearing is very good it is to do with the accent. I'm from the south of England and speak RP. My question is, do people from one region find those from another difficult to understand. Would my RP not be clear to a Liverpudlian or a Scot?

To be fair, we do struggle a bit with dropped consonants.

Daw for instance.

Where has the r gone?

I notice language more when listening to the radio - which I often do. I find the missing "T" irritating. It does seem to be a recent thing or maybe I find it more so as I'm getting older. Alongside radio presenters pronouncing "been" as "bin". "Bin" in a dialect is fine [Where's tha bin?] but just sounds lazy when the speaker is otherwise speaking fairly middle of the road English [Where have you bin?]
I'll try not to get started on inflection or I shall really get my knickers in a twist. There was an interview yesterday where I couldn't focus on the interviewee's points, as all I could hear was that dreadful sing songy voice that went up at the end of every sentence???
Wonder if I could move on to "inappropriate apostrophes"? Maybe not.

Aaaat the winda?

I always think that "not in the spirit of gransnet" should include page after page of people "screaming" about linguistic differences. (Basically based around estuary English every time)

It's very unpleasant to read how people think my parents were lazy, that I am, that my daughter and grandsons are.

Ending - ing words with - in is one that irritates me. One of our regional TV presenters does it, and as far as I am aware, this is not our local accent.

In my opinion, TV and radio presenters, as well as call-centre handlers, need to be understood by everyone all over the country, and also, not a source of irritation. If that is snobby, I am a snob. Of course, I realise that what irritates one person will be music to the ears of another( but then we have varying tastes in music).

People have trouble knowing what is meant if I say "knowin"??

But you’re not on tv or radio are you MissA?

MissA - you're not Priti Patel are you? According to some, her way of speaking is the worst thing about her.

Billy Mackay recently gave the "Time for Reflection" 5 minute talk at the Scottish Parliament in Scots. Some people almost self combusted

In what respect does that make a difference?
Knowing.
Knowin.

If we had a chat in the phone, or you heard it on tv, its simple to know what is being said.

volver

MissA - you're not Priti Patel are you? According to some, her way of speaking is the worst thing about her.

Billy Mackay recently gave the "Time for Reflection" 5 minute talk at the Scottish Parliament in Scots. Some people almost self combusted

Busted!
I tried to pass myself off as the queen a while back, but I've been "faaand aaaat!"

I see that snobbery is still as rife as it was in my childhood. How sad.

Germanshepherdsmum

Can she pronounce T? As in photo, not pho’o?

It's not about not being able to. Anyone can do it. It's not a skill.

It's a regional feature of spoken language. Not a weakness or laziness. Unlike poor spelling of a word, where there are already correctly spelled examples present. Now that is laziness.

I have no issue with accents at all although pronouncing most words phonetically is an aid to spelling from an educational point of view. My husband is a screamer and I complain more about him moaning than I do about accents. I do like to be able to read the subtitles though and sometimes they have to be deciphered which is a bit of a pain.